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From: dr_jeff on 30 Dec 2009 11:47
Popular wrote:
> Hey, Folks,
> We're rather disturbed to see the posting, above. This story was
> lifted in toto from TheDetroitBureau.com, which should be commended
> for its investigative work, not ripped off, as Mike Hunter has done.
> If you see a story you like, it's "fair use" to excerpt, but it's not
> fair to completely copy the piece. And we should link back to the
> original. A small site like TheDetroitBureau works hard to develop
> copy like this. As do we, and we've been ripped off on numerous
> occasions, so we know what that feels like.
> If you want to see the original piece, go to:
> http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/nhtsa-tracking-braking-loss-on-prius-hybrids/
>
> They've got another story up at:
> http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/is-toyota%E2%80%99s-image-about-to-crumble/
>
> Thanks for listening and thanks for respecting copyrights.

Thanks for the reminder. Much appreciated.
From: Mike Hunter on 30 Dec 2009 14:21
But, but , but Toyota said changing the oil a directed was not the cure for
the problem, that was why Toyota issued the extended recall.


"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.12.29.19.10.01.11408(a)e86.GTS...
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:41:16 -0500, tww1491 wrote:
>
>>> Where have you been? Even Toyota gave up on that lame excuse when the
>>> sludge started to show up in engines properly serviced at their
>>> dealership and they offered the extended warranty because the problem
>>> they said was the result of a change in the head design.
>>>
>>> Do a search the truth is out there
>>>
>> We had a RX 300 at the time. On my insistence (and cost) they pulled the
>> valve covers and found some gelling even though we had the vehicle
>> serviced on schedule by a Lexus dealer.
>
>
> Hmmm...my Supra shows signs of gelling.
>
> Now at 230,000 miles.
>
> My "Hachiroku" showed some slight gelling at ~80,000 miles. Now at
> 258,000.
>
> All oil gels to some extent, esp in areas where it doesn't flow easily.
>
> But, I also change my oil at no more then 5,000 miles, and usually <4,000
> miles.
>
>
>


From: Mike Hunter on 30 Dec 2009 14:22
It is a problem for those that did however.


"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.12.29.22.24.42.257647(a)e86.GTS...
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:38:37 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote:
>
>> Your car must have been built before Toyota changed the head design that
>> TOYOTA said was the cause of the "gelling" or after they went back to
>> using the older head in October of 2003.
>
> Yes, in both cases.
>
>
>>
>>
>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2009.12.29.19.10.01.11408(a)e86.GTS...
>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:41:16 -0500, tww1491 wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Where have you been? Even Toyota gave up on that lame excuse when
>>>>> the sludge started to show up in engines properly serviced at their
>>>>> dealership and they offered the extended warranty because the problem
>>>>> they said was the result of a change in the head design.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do a search the truth is out there
>>>>>
>>>> We had a RX 300 at the time. On my insistence (and cost) they pulled
>>>> the valve covers and found some gelling even though we had the vehicle
>>>> serviced on schedule by a Lexus dealer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm...my Supra shows signs of gelling.
>>>
>>> Now at 230,000 miles.
>>>
>>> My "Hachiroku" showed some slight gelling at ~80,000 miles. Now at
>>> 258,000.
>>>
>>> All oil gels to some extent, esp in areas where it doesn't flow easily.
>>>
>>> But, I also change my oil at no more then 5,000 miles, and usually
>>> <4,000 miles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>


From: in2dadark on 30 Dec 2009 20:09
On Dec 30, 11:10 am, Popular <pmwebmas...(a)hearst.com> wrote:
> Hey, Folks,
> We're rather disturbed to see the posting, above.  This story was
> lifted in toto from TheDetroitBureau.com, which should be commended
> for its investigative work, not ripped off, as Mike Hunter has done.
> If you see a story you like, it's "fair use" to excerpt, but it's not
> fair to completely copy the piece.  And we should link back to the
> original.  A small site like TheDetroitBureau works hard to develop
> copy like this.  As do we, and we've been ripped off on numerous
> occasions, so we know what that feels like.
> If you want to see the original piece, go to:http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/nhtsa-tracking-braking-loss-o...
>
> They've got another story up at:http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/is-toyota%E2%80%99s-image-abo...
>
> Thanks for listening and thanks for respecting copyrights.

I had a chevy blazer that had exactly those types of anti-stop brake
problems..That was a scary ride..
From: C. E. White on 30 Dec 2009 23:16

"in2dadark" <in2dadark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4fbaf1a8-6017-49f9-8d9b-cb246bb3a194(a)e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 30, 11:10 am, Popular <pmwebmas...(a)hearst.com> wrote:
> Hey, Folks,
> We're rather disturbed to see the posting, above. This story was
> lifted in toto from TheDetroitBureau.com, which should be commended
> for its investigative work, not ripped off, as Mike Hunter has done.
> If you see a story you like, it's "fair use" to excerpt, but it's not
> fair to completely copy the piece. And we should link back to the
> original. A small site like TheDetroitBureau works hard to develop
> copy like this. As do we, and we've been ripped off on numerous
> occasions, so we know what that feels like.
> If you want to see the original piece, go
> to:http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/nhtsa-tracking-braking-loss-o...
>
> They've got another story up
> at:http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/is-toyota%E2%80%99s-image-abo...
>
> Thanks for listening and thanks for respecting copyrights.

I had a chevy blazer that had exactly those types of anti-stop brake
problems..That was a scary ride..

The ABS on my2006 Frontier was to sensitive. It was particualrly disturbing
if you were braking while changing surfaces- like braking while turing into
a dirt lane from a paved road. It was also sensitive on soft surfaces (like
driving around in a pasture with wet grass).

I have always had the opinion that ABS was at best a mixed blessing. Studies
have never shown that it was a net safety benefit. At best it reduced some
sorts of accidents and made others worse. NHTSA never could justify
mandating ABS based on safety studies.However the safety Nazis and the ABS
suppliers finally managed to get in mandated by doing an end run and having
NHTSA make ESC mandatory (ESC requires the ABS components to do its
"magic"). This time NHTSA didn't bother studying the safety benefits of ESC
before making it mandatory - too much a risk that it too would be shown to
be a worthless "safety" device. Better for the ABS manufacturers to just
force us all to spend a few more hundred (thousand?) dollars per vehicle to
get the unproven "benefits" of ESC (and ABS).

Ed

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