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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 29 Dec 2009 14:10
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:41:16 -0500, tww1491 wrote:

>> Where have you been? Even Toyota gave up on that lame excuse when the
>> sludge started to show up in engines properly serviced at their
>> dealership and they offered the extended warranty because the problem
>> they said was the result of a change in the head design.
>>
>> Do a search the truth is out there
>>
> We had a RX 300 at the time. On my insistence (and cost) they pulled the
> valve covers and found some gelling even though we had the vehicle
> serviced on schedule by a Lexus dealer.


Hmmm...my Supra shows signs of gelling.

Now at 230,000 miles.

My "Hachiroku" showed some slight gelling at ~80,000 miles. Now at
258,000.

All oil gels to some extent, esp in areas where it doesn't flow easily.

But, I also change my oil at no more then 5,000 miles, and usually <4,000
miles.



From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 29 Dec 2009 14:12
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:44:30 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote:

> That was Toyotas trick to quiet the problem among buyers. Dealers were
> authorized to CLEAN, repaid or replace any engine exhibiting "gelling" as
> they refer to the sludge. Dealers are encouraged to clean the engines by
> being played a hansom fee for doing so and advising the owner they must
> use synthetic oil in the future.

They were having BG come in to do the cleaning.

http://www.bgprod.com/products/engineoil.html



From: Mike Hunter on 29 Dec 2009 19:38
Your car must have been built before Toyota changed the head design that
TOYOTA said was the cause of the "gelling" or after they went back to using
the older head in October of 2003.


"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.12.29.19.10.01.11408(a)e86.GTS...
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:41:16 -0500, tww1491 wrote:
>
>>> Where have you been? Even Toyota gave up on that lame excuse when the
>>> sludge started to show up in engines properly serviced at their
>>> dealership and they offered the extended warranty because the problem
>>> they said was the result of a change in the head design.
>>>
>>> Do a search the truth is out there
>>>
>> We had a RX 300 at the time. On my insistence (and cost) they pulled the
>> valve covers and found some gelling even though we had the vehicle
>> serviced on schedule by a Lexus dealer.
>
>
> Hmmm...my Supra shows signs of gelling.
>
> Now at 230,000 miles.
>
> My "Hachiroku" showed some slight gelling at ~80,000 miles. Now at
> 258,000.
>
> All oil gels to some extent, esp in areas where it doesn't flow easily.
>
> But, I also change my oil at no more then 5,000 miles, and usually <4,000
> miles.
>
>
>


From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 29 Dec 2009 17:24
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:38:37 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote:

> Your car must have been built before Toyota changed the head design that
> TOYOTA said was the cause of the "gelling" or after they went back to
> using the older head in October of 2003.

Yes, in both cases.


>
>
> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2009.12.29.19.10.01.11408(a)e86.GTS...
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:41:16 -0500, tww1491 wrote:
>>
>>>> Where have you been? Even Toyota gave up on that lame excuse when
>>>> the sludge started to show up in engines properly serviced at their
>>>> dealership and they offered the extended warranty because the problem
>>>> they said was the result of a change in the head design.
>>>>
>>>> Do a search the truth is out there
>>>>
>>> We had a RX 300 at the time. On my insistence (and cost) they pulled
>>> the valve covers and found some gelling even though we had the vehicle
>>> serviced on schedule by a Lexus dealer.
>>
>>
>> Hmmm...my Supra shows signs of gelling.
>>
>> Now at 230,000 miles.
>>
>> My "Hachiroku" showed some slight gelling at ~80,000 miles. Now at
>> 258,000.
>>
>> All oil gels to some extent, esp in areas where it doesn't flow easily.
>>
>> But, I also change my oil at no more then 5,000 miles, and usually
>> <4,000 miles.
>>
>>
>>
>>

From: Popular on 30 Dec 2009 11:10
Hey, Folks,
We're rather disturbed to see the posting, above. This story was
lifted in toto from TheDetroitBureau.com, which should be commended
for its investigative work, not ripped off, as Mike Hunter has done.
If you see a story you like, it's "fair use" to excerpt, but it's not
fair to completely copy the piece. And we should link back to the
original. A small site like TheDetroitBureau works hard to develop
copy like this. As do we, and we've been ripped off on numerous
occasions, so we know what that feels like.
If you want to see the original piece, go to:
http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/nhtsa-tracking-braking-loss-on-prius-hybrids/

They've got another story up at:
http://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2009/12/is-toyota%E2%80%99s-image-about-to-crumble/

Thanks for listening and thanks for respecting copyrights.
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