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From: C. E. White on 14 Jul 2010 09:18
"little johnny" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:38:42 -0400, "C. E. White"
> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"ttle johnny" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:52:53 -0400, "C. E. White"
>>> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"little johnny" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:gsmj3693vs1i8dfhlg7r7ncf1hrcnbo9bg(a)4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently in a Ford the fuckin roof can cave in on your head
>>>>
>>>>Not exactly the roof - it says the head liner. Not a good thing, but far
>>>>less worrisome that having the "roof cave in on your head."
>>>
>>> Not when the head liner falls down over your eyes, impairing your
>>> vision and causing you hit a Ford Pinto from behind, which in turn
>>> explodes and turns you into a screaming fireball with an epiphany that
>>> a head liner that won't stay put is indeed worrisome.
>>
>>The headliner came down during a crash test, not during routine driving.
>>The
>>way it seems to me, this is a minor issue. You have a crash and during the
>>crash a piece of flock covered cardboard drops down. I don't think the
>>cardboard would be your biggest concern at that point.
>>
>
> Just because it only occurred under one test circumstance does not
> mean that's the only way it can occur. An unsecured headliner is an
> unsecured headliner and is dangerous. Someone probably thought that
> putting all weather mats over top of carpet ones would be no big deal
> as well. Also why aren't you talking about the failed Jeep brakes,
> are you only a fan of Ford? If so, why are you pestering Toyota and
> Lexus newsgroups?

I was just pointing out that the headliner came down during a crash test,
not during normal driving. The OP (you) made it sound like this could occur
as an everyday event. Nothing I read indicated that the headliner was
unsecured in the manner you are suggesting. It seem to me that you were
going out of your way to over dramatize a Ford recall. I suppose this was a
lame attempt to excuse Toyota errors. I didn't comment on the Jeep recall
becasue there wasn't as much information available on that one. I do think
the OP (you) did sort of resorted to hyperbole on that one as well.

I wasn't "pestering" the Toyota and Lexus groups. I was jsut responding to
the original over the top post (yours).

Here is the official NHTSA text for the Transit Recall:

Vehicle Make / Model: Model Year(s):
FORD / TRANSIT CONNECT 2010

Manufacturer: FORD MOTOR COMPANY Mfr's Report Date: JUL 06, 2010
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 10V316000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A

Component: STRUCTURE:BODY:ROOF AND PILLARS

Potential Number of Units Affected: 33728 Summary:

FORD IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2010 TRANSIT CONNECT VEHICLES
MANUFACTURED FROM DECEMBER 5, 2008 THROUGH MAY 31, 2010 FOR FAILING TO MEET
THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 201,
"OCCUPANT PROTECTION IN INTERIOR IMPACT." DURING VEHICLE TESTING THE VEHICLE
EXCEEDED HEAD INJURY CRITERIA REQUIREMENTS SET BY THE STANDARD. THE
HEADLINER RETENTION PUSHPIN LOCATED ON THE HEADLINER ABOVE THE B-PILLAR TRIM
ON BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE OF THE VEHICLES NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
Consequence:
IN THE EVENT OF A VEHICLE CRASH, AN OCCUPANT COULD BE AT AN INCREASED RISK
OF INJURY. Remedy:
FORD WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND DEALERS WILL REPAIR THE VEHICLES FREE OF
CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN ON OR ABOUT JULY 19, 2010.
OWNERS MAY CONTACT FORD MOTOR COMPANY AT 1-866-436-7332. Notes:
FORD'S RECALL CAMPAIGN NUMBER IS 10C13. OWNERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE
NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT
1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV .

Notice it says nothing about the headliner falling down outside of a crash
senario.

Here is what NHTSA says on the Chrysler recall:

Vehicle Make / Model: Model Year(s):
DODGE / NITRO 2010

DODGE / RAM 2010

JEEP / LIBERTY 2010

JEEP / WRANGLER 2010

Manufacturer: CHRYSLER GROUP LLC Mfr's Report Date: JUL 07, 2010
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 10V315000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A

Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:MASTER CYLINDER
Potential Number of Units Affected:

Summary:
CHRYSLER IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2010 LEFT HAND DRIVE JEEP LIBERTY,
DODGE NITRO AND RAM 1500 TRUCK; RIGHT AND LEFT HAND DRIVE JEEP WRANGLER
VEHICLES. THESE VEHICLES MAY HAVE BEEN BUILT WITH AN IMPROPERLY FORMED
MASTER CYLINDER TO HYDRAULIC CONTROL UNIT (HCU) BRAKE TUBE ASSEMBLY END
FLARE. Consequence:
THIS COULD LEAD TO LOSS OF BRAKE FLUID AND REDUCED BRAKING PERFORMANCE
INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH. Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE BRAKE TUBES FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL IS
EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING AUGUST 2010. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CHRYSLER TOLL-FREE
AT 1-800-853-1403. Notes:
CHRYSLER SAFETY RECALL NO. K15. OWNERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL
HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT
1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV .

Seems a lot less dramatic than your retelling.


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