From: Devil's_Advocate on
"charlesgrozny" <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> wrote :

>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:hm0oqb$6dc$3(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:50:53 -0600, charlesgrozny wrote:
>>
>>> Guys, the Cash For Clunkers program screwed up the used car market for
>>> a while.
>>>
>>> Thanks Barry Nobama for another useless f***up that didn't really fix
>>> anything.
>>>
>>> Charles Grozny.
>>>
>>
>> Typical...Blame It On Obama...you guys are going to be doing that for
>> years...
>>
>> But then, I'm usually one for placing blame where it is due...
>>
>
> Well then I blame the Three Stooges: Barry Harry and Nancy. The last
> two passed the Cash for Clunkers law and Barry signed it. Who else you
> gonna blame? GW Bush sure didn't sign it.
>
> Geez Hach, I didn't know you were a Barry supporter.
>
> And if you check, the Cash for Clunkers has put a huge BUMP in the
> distribution of used car prices that will probably take a year or so to
> settle down.

��government�s a disease masquerading as it�s own cure.� -- L Neil Smith

�I've used the Civil Rights Act as an example of the way a well-intentioned
government program grows and causes far more problems than it solves. But
it is just one example.
All government programs expand to encompass the political demands of people
who want to take advantage of its benefits. And almost all government
programs eventually do the opposite of what their original backers had
asked for.
Whatever social reform you may envision, the version the government
implements will be something completely different. However lofty your
purpose, it will be debased by compromises in the legislature, in the
administration of the program by thousands of government employees, and in
the settling of the inevitable disputes.
Not only that, the program is likely to grow far bigger and more
complicated than what you wanted. And someday it will evolve into a force
opposite to your intentions.
You aren't a dictator. You can't control the actions of politicians,
bureaucrats, and judges.
Please remember that the next time you think some law will solve some great
social problem." - Harry Browne

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:04:55 -0600, Devil's_Advocate wrote:

> Hachiroku <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote :
>
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:50:53 -0600, charlesgrozny wrote:
>>
>>> Guys, the Cash For Clunkers program screwed up the used car market for
>>> a while.
>>>
>>> Thanks Barry Nobama for another useless f***up that didn't really fix
>>> anything.
>>>
>>> Charles Grozny.
>>>
>>>
>> Typical...Blame It On Obama...you guys are going to be doing that for
>> years...
>
> Duh. he's a marxist progressive.
>
> You just watch the political bloodbath this fall.
>
> Something like 60% of the population either have conservative values or
> are conservative leaning. Those people are scared to hell and it's being
> reflected in lack of hiring.
>
> No more of this "it was their side's fault".
>
> The "progressives" ( marxist globalists ) of both parties gotta go, and
> they will this fall.
>
> Tea party!

Shhhh...you'll upset some...and DO NOT mention Sarah Palin! You'll send
them into convulsions!



From: Devil's_Advocate on
SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote :

> Devil's_Advocate wrote:
>> I've been looking, for about a YEAR now locally, to find a Corolla with
>> less than 100k miles, with automatic, air conditioning and cruise
>> control. Dont care what year, but I want to pay less than $4000 for it,
>> in great mechanical condition.
>
> Forget it. There's a big problem with used Corollas and Camrys (and
> Civics and Accords for that matter). They hold their value so well that
> you're not likely to find many bargains on them. Even an 8-10 year old
> Corolla in good condition with less than 100K miles on it is likely to
> sell for more than that, especially when you're talking about one that
> has no rust. However you should be able to get something for around
> $4500-5000.
>
> It's hard to say what else will work. A Corolla with 100K miles is
> barely out of infancy, while most other compacts are going to start
> requiring expensive repairs at 100K miles.

My 93 Corolla started needing expensive repairs at about 130k miles and looks
like at 189k, it needs a head gasket now.

From: Devil's_Advocate on
=?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote :


>> Tea party!
>
> Shhhh...you'll upset some...and DO NOT mention Sarah Palin! You'll send
> them into convulsions!

I do hate when they wet themselves like that.

Guns!

Sarah Palin!

Tea Party!

Ron Paul!

Rand Paul!

Marco Rubio!



From: Ray O on

"Devil's_Advocate" <Devils_Advocate(a)devils_.xyx> wrote in message
news:Xns9D28E48F0D2E3DevilsAdvocatedevils(a)216.196.97.142...
> "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote :
>
>>
>> "Devil's_Advocate" <Devils_Advocate(a)devils_.xyx> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D27DE1EAFC8CDevilsAdvocatedevils(a)216.196.97.142...
>>> I've been looking, for about a YEAR now locally, to find a Corolla with
>>> less
>>> than 100k miles, with automatic, air conditioning and cruise control.
>>> Dont care what year, but I want to pay less than $4000 for it, in great
>>> mechanical
>>> condition.
>>>
>>> Cant find one. Looked on Craig's list, seems full of scams. People you
>>> email
>>> for a week asking to see it, then they answer and claim the car is in
>>> another
>>> state, if you only pay them, they'll ship it free. Sure.
>>>
>>> Is there any competitive car made by Ford or someone, that gets in the
>>> 30-40
>>> MPG range like the Corolla, with plenty of leg room inside too, that's
>>> available in the parameters I'm looking for?
>>>
>>> I need it for a company car and cant wait any longer.
>>>
>>
>> Your price and accumulated mileage expectations are a pretty tough
>> requirement. You might be able to meet your price, accumulated mileage,
>> and fuel economy expectations with a Ford Focus.
>
> 22 mpg city? My 93 Corolla gets 30-35 MPG ( 2 MPG less during the ethanol
> season )
>

I thought the '03 Focus sedan had EPA 27/36, which is not as good as the
Corolla, but they are selling closer to the price range you were looking
for.

Another possibility would be to go down in size to something like the Echo,
but it probably would not be as comfortable as a Corolla or Focus.

I worked on a friend's 2003 Focus, and it seemed like a decent car, The
annoying thing was the black rubber O-ring around the trunk lock kept
falling off, which a dab of Household goop fixed.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)