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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 29 Jan 2010 08:37 On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:08:09 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:52:12 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> > wrote: > >> >>That aside, are you talking about the V8/6/4 thing Caddy tried in the late >>70's? >> > No, an emissions thing. Couple, few years ago. Didn't pay much > attention. But like the Honda deal, and maybe the Toyota deal, it > involved the processors/programming. > >>Same company that made the space suits and the jet engine controls. For >>some reason, the successes in those programs could not be duplicated in >>the Cadillac project, or the emissions testing program (those were made by >>HS in Arizona...) >> >>I have a Scion that has the trottle by wire, too. For some reason, the >>recall does not effect that vehicle. >> >> >>Yet... >> > I certainly wouldn't worry about it. As long as you shut it down with > the key and know gas pedal from brake, it's a non-issue. > Reminds me. The only car-related dream I've ever had is a "no brakes" > dream. More than once. Or should I call them nightmares? > Woke me up anyway. > > --Vic I have a 5 speed/ Clutch, neutral, hit the key and return to the "ON" position. I've had throttles with mechanical linkages stick before, after a few years when the exposed part of the cable got rusty. The fix was pretty easy, though...a little PB Blaster and things ran new again. If it's electronics causing the issue the fix is a little more difficult. I haven't had access to an EPROM programmer for a few years...
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 29 Jan 2010 09:03 On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:26:24 -0500, tnom wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:09:01 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> > wrote: > >>On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:56:59 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:47:29 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >>> >>> You remind me of the sorry politicians running the country. Bush did it! >>> Clinton did it! >>> Just post a bunch of cut and paste "talking points" instead of some actual >>> thought in your own words. >>> You have disappointed me. >>> But I'll survive (-" >>> >>> --Vic >> >>I'm just getting tired of "john" posting about 1 recall 587,972 times! > > It sounds like you need the recall. Is it a blown gasket or what? I think it's 'john' that needs the recall. Bad ECU. Seems to be stuck in full throttle cross post mode.
From: Steve on 29 Jan 2010 16:03 >> Now, I don't expect Toyota do go to this drastic a method, but I'll be you >> their quality control will be tightened up quite a bit, and more than any >> degree that GM has ever done. >> > Now that's an interesting post. > I won't get into any GM/Toyota squabbles about QC and engineering. > Toyota's success speaks for itself. > What interests me about this is Toyota basically shut down, and the > implications of that. > I don't think it's a QC issue, but an electronics control issue. No, its a software engineering issue. They've got to go back and re-design and re-test a lot of software because they didn't implement electronic throttle correctly, nor even to industry standard. At least GM did THAT much and included a brake-overrides-throttle feature (as did virtually every other manufacturer who uses electronic throttle- GM, Ford, Chrysler, Benz, BMW, just to name a few). If I were a Toyota owner, I'd probably be inclined to defend them too, and a few mistakes don't negate everything good they ever did. But c'mon. Sometimes you just gotta admit your favorite company screwed the pooch and move on.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 29 Jan 2010 12:33 On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:03:51 -0600, Steve wrote: > >>> Now, I don't expect Toyota do go to this drastic a method, but I'll be >>> you their quality control will be tightened up quite a bit, and more >>> than any degree that GM has ever done. >>> >> Now that's an interesting post. >> I won't get into any GM/Toyota squabbles about QC and engineering. >> Toyota's success speaks for itself. >> What interests me about this is Toyota basically shut down, and the >> implications of that. >> I don't think it's a QC issue, but an electronics control issue. > > > No, its a software engineering issue. They've got to go back and re-design > and re-test a lot of software because they didn't implement electronic > throttle correctly, nor even to industry standard. At least GM did THAT > much and included a brake-overrides-throttle feature (as did virtually > every other manufacturer who uses electronic throttle- GM, Ford, Chrysler, > Benz, BMW, just to name a few). > > If I were a Toyota owner, I'd probably be inclined to defend them too, and > a few mistakes don't negate everything good they ever did. But c'mon. > Sometimes you just gotta admit your favorite company screwed the pooch and > move on. Interesting take. I'm wondering this: Every car I ever had with a cruise control, the old vacuum types would cancel out whne you got under about 30 MPH. When I got my Scion I noticed that it does NOT cancel out, but stays at the set value. I don't recall if it clears or not when you actually shut the car OFF but leave the cruise ON. Until you turn the cruise OFF it stays where it was set. I have also noticed that I have hit the little flipper on the steering wheel at times. Fortunately, I realized the cruise does not cancel out very early in my experience with this car, so if I'm on the highway doing 80, and then come into a town, I first RESET the cruise to a lower speed and then TURN IT OFF, just in case I hit the flipper at 20 MPH in the center of town. I'm wondeing how many of these "runaway cars" can be contributed to that?
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 29 Jan 2010 15:25
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:43:19 -0800, john wrote: > "As early as 2004, authorities investigated reports of unintended > acceleration in Toyota's best-selling model, the Camry. > > But the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration looked at > incidents lasting only 1 second or less. 'john', master of widespread panic, and a nimrod to boot, here are the facts: Which models are affected by the recall/stop sale? Toyota's accelerator pedal recall and suspension of sales is confined to the following Toyota Division vehicles: * Certain 2009-2010 RAV4, * Certain 2009-2010 Corolla, * 2009-2010 Matrix, * 2005-2010 Avalon, * Certain 2007-2010 Camry, * Certain 2010 Highlander, * 2007-2010 Tundra, * 2008-2010 Sequoia No Lexus Division or Scion vehicles are affected by these actions. Also not affected are Toyota Prius, Tacoma, Sienna, Venza, Solara, Yaris, 4Runner, FJ Cruiser, Land Cruiser, Highlander hybrids and Camry hybrids, which will remain for sale. Further, Camry, RAV4, Corolla and Highlander vehicles with VINs that begin with "J" are not affected by the sticky accelerator pedal recall. So, if you have a "J: VIN car, no worry. These were fitted with Japanese made Denso parts and are not affected. Why are you stopping production at your factories? Production is being stopped temporarily at five North American production facilities to assess and coordinate activities related to the recall announced on January 21. Wow. Only US made vehicles affected. OK, 'john'? Got it now? |