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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 28 Jan 2010 18:23

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:09:01 -0500, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:

>
> Posting the same basic bullshit post across the Toyota groups is getting
> tired.

Oh, and is often referred to as Trolling.

From: Vic Smith on 28 Jan 2010 23:29

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:09:01 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS>
wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:56:59 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:47:29 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
>>
>> You remind me of the sorry politicians running the country. Bush did it!
>> Clinton did it!
>> Just post a bunch of cut and paste "talking points" instead of some actual
>> thought in your own words.
>> You have disappointed me.
>> But I'll survive (-"
>>
>> --Vic
>
>I'm just getting tired of "john" posting about 1 recall 587,972 times!
>
>WE KNOW ABOUT IT ALREADY!!! WE probably knew about it before he did!
>
>Damn! Talk about beating an issue into the ground! Fine! John doesn't like
>Toyotas. My advice:
>
>DON'T BUY ONE!!!!!!!!!
>
>Posting the same basic bullshit post across the Toyota groups is getting
>tired.
>
>Toyota will resolve the issue. Toyota has done something American
>manufacturers don't so: they halted sales of their best selling units.
>Rather than leaving them on the lot and "we'll figure it out after the
>sales are made", they're taking a proactive approcah and grounding the
>fleet. It could be argued this is costing them a LOT more than selling the
>cars and then recalling them.
>
>And since Toytota is a Japanese company interested in 'saving face', I
>wouldn't expect another recall of this caliber for a long, long time,
>regardless if it was their fault or a supplier's.
>
>
>I used to work for a manufacturer that made space suits. We had something
>like a first piece inspection for vendors, and then subsequent 'sampling'
>of further similar parts from that manufacturer.
>
>In 1987, an astronaut was suiting up for a mission and as he was the
>mission was scrubbed. He was taking the suit off and he noticed something
>about the buckle. Something was not right, and it had to do with the
>connector in the buckle that connected the life support functions. If NASA
>had not scrubbed the EVA, he would have died.
>
>The company rescinded their 'sampling' for vendors in all aspects of the
>EMU program, and ALL parts being used for EMUs were thereafter inspected
>100%.
>
>Now, I don't expect Toyota do go to this drastic a method, but I'll be you
>their quality control will be tightened up quite a bit, and more than any
>degree that GM has ever done.
>
Now that's an interesting post.
I won't get into any GM/Toyota squabbles about QC and engineering.
Toyota's success speaks for itself.
What interests me about this is Toyota basically shut down, and the
implications of that.
I don't think it's a QC issue, but an electronics control issue.
That's serious when you consider the number of vehicles affected.
Last big one I remember involving that was the Honda emissions deal.
Think Cadillac had a recall on a similar score too, but it didn't
involve the number of vehicles, so didn't get the attention.
Anyway, expect plenty of static from the "wingers."
It's big news.
The anti-Jap crowd will start crowing like the right wingers did when
the Rep won a Dem senate seat in Mass.
Nature of the beast known as "The Fan."

--Vic

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 28 Jan 2010 18:52

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:29:26 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:

> I don't think it's a QC issue, but an electronics control issue. That's
> serious when you consider the number of vehicles affected. Last big one I
> remember involving that was the Honda emissions deal. Think Cadillac had a
> recall on a similar score too, but it didn't involve the number of
> vehicles, so didn't get the attention. Anyway, expect plenty of static
> from the "wingers." It's big news.
> The anti-Jap crowd will start crowing like the right wingers did when the
> Rep won a Dem senate seat in Mass. Nature of the beast known as "The Fan."

HEY! I resemble that last remark. And, I'm from Mass!

That aside, are you talking about the V8/6/4 thing Caddy tried in the late
70's?

Same company that made the space suits and the jet engine controls. For
some reason, the successes in those programs could not be duplicated in
the Cadillac project, or the emissions testing program (those were made by
HS in Arizona...)

I have a Scion that has the trottle by wire, too. For some reason, the
recall does not effect that vehicle.

Yet...

From: Vic Smith on 29 Jan 2010 00:08

On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:52:12 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS>
wrote:

>
>That aside, are you talking about the V8/6/4 thing Caddy tried in the late
>70's?
>
No, an emissions thing. Couple, few years ago. Didn't pay much
attention. But like the Honda deal, and maybe the Toyota deal, it
involved the processors/programming.

>Same company that made the space suits and the jet engine controls. For
>some reason, the successes in those programs could not be duplicated in
>the Cadillac project, or the emissions testing program (those were made by
>HS in Arizona...)
>
>I have a Scion that has the trottle by wire, too. For some reason, the
>recall does not effect that vehicle.
>
>
>Yet...
>
I certainly wouldn't worry about it. As long as you shut it down with
the key and know gas pedal from brake, it's a non-issue.
Reminds me. The only car-related dream I've ever had is a "no brakes"
dream. More than once. Or should I call them nightmares?
Woke me up anyway.

--Vic

From: tnom on 29 Jan 2010 04:26

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