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From: Jeff Strickland on 3 Feb 2010 14:45

"Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob" <rgsros(a)notme.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Hello,
>>
>> Regarding the body side moldings on the doors that used to be pretty much
>> standard, but now, apparently, in the "lesser" models an add on option.
>>
>> In the "old" days I seem to remember that these strips were held on
>> mechanically.
>> Perhaps a riveted channel, with the molding being a slip-in piece.
>> Can't remember, exactly.
>>
>> Anyway, the dealer tells me that for a new Corolla, these moldings, if he
>> adds them, are glued on.
>>
>> Question: are the adhesives he would use to do this so good that the
>> piece will likely stay on for the life of the car ? I would have my
>> doubts, but I do realize structural adhesives have come a long way.
>>
>> If I have him add them, anything to be concerned about ?
>>
>> BTW: How does the factory fasten them if they do it; same way ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>
> Bob,
>
> Body side moldings are not a factory option for the 2010 Corolla, but
> color-matched body side moldings are offered as a genuine Toyota
> accessory.
>
> Body side moldings are generally held in place with a special adhesive
> tape that generally lasts a pretty long time. Even if it doesn't stay in
> place for the life of the car, a little Automotive Goop would probably
> hold it in place for a long time. I used Automotive Goop to attach a
> cellular antenna to the rear window, and when I went to remove it 10 years
> of car washes, harsh winters and summers later, I had to use a putty knife
> to pry it off.
>
> I would not be concerned about dealer installed genuine Toyota
> accessories, but I would pass on door edge guards because they are not a
> genuine Toyota accessory and tend to abrade the paint and trap moisture.
> --
>

That's a new one on me.

I suppose it makes sense though, they stick the emblems on with glue,
there's no real reason they couldn't stick the side moldings on the same
way.

I agree with you, the Genuine Toyota moldings should stick fine and last the
life of the car.

I'm not sure I agree with the idea that the door edge guards are a problem,
we've had a minivan for 15 years that has edge guards that are stuck on and
there's no apparent problem as a result. I suppose living in this climatic
hellhole where I live might make my mileage different, but I see no problems
with door edge guards that are held on with glue.










From: Ray O on 3 Feb 2010 15:06

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message
> news:hkciql$gkl$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Bob" <rgsros(a)notme.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:hkccg0$hp9$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Regarding the body side moldings on the doors that used to be pretty
>>> much standard, but now, apparently, in the "lesser" models an add on
>>> option.
>>>
>>> In the "old" days I seem to remember that these strips were held on
>>> mechanically.
>>> Perhaps a riveted channel, with the molding being a slip-in piece.
>>> Can't remember, exactly.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the dealer tells me that for a new Corolla, these moldings, if
>>> he adds them, are glued on.
>>>
>>> Question: are the adhesives he would use to do this so good that the
>>> piece will likely stay on for the life of the car ? I would have my
>>> doubts, but I do realize structural adhesives have come a long way.
>>>
>>> If I have him add them, anything to be concerned about ?
>>>
>>> BTW: How does the factory fasten them if they do it; same way ?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bob
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> Body side moldings are not a factory option for the 2010 Corolla, but
>> color-matched body side moldings are offered as a genuine Toyota
>> accessory.
>>
>> Body side moldings are generally held in place with a special adhesive
>> tape that generally lasts a pretty long time. Even if it doesn't stay in
>> place for the life of the car, a little Automotive Goop would probably
>> hold it in place for a long time. I used Automotive Goop to attach a
>> cellular antenna to the rear window, and when I went to remove it 10
>> years of car washes, harsh winters and summers later, I had to use a
>> putty knife to pry it off.
>>
>> I would not be concerned about dealer installed genuine Toyota
>> accessories, but I would pass on door edge guards because they are not a
>> genuine Toyota accessory and tend to abrade the paint and trap moisture.
>> --
>>
>
> That's a new one on me.
>
> I suppose it makes sense though, they stick the emblems on with glue,
> there's no real reason they couldn't stick the side moldings on the same
> way.
>
> I agree with you, the Genuine Toyota moldings should stick fine and last
> the life of the car.
>
> I'm not sure I agree with the idea that the door edge guards are a
> problem, we've had a minivan for 15 years that has edge guards that are
> stuck on and there's no apparent problem as a result. I suppose living in
> this climatic hellhole where I live might make my mileage different, but I
> see no problems with door edge guards that are held on with glue.
>

I do not know if this is still the case, but in the case of warranty claims
for paint or rust, a district service manager had to authorize the repair,
and before I authorized that type of repair, I personally inspected the
vehicle.

The gap between the front and rear doors and between the rear doors and rear
fender were about the same thickness as the thickness of the door edge
guards, so a door edge guard on the front door would abrade the leading edge
of the rear door, and the door edge guard on the rear door would abrade the
rear fender. One of the service managers I called on pointed out that the
gap on Detroit 3 products was about 1 mm larger so that the door edge guards
didn't interfere with the operation of the door.

I am not really a fan of door edge guards because they are all aftermarket
and tend to come loose over time and they don't do much for the appearance
of the vehicle.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 3 Feb 2010 19:34
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:41:16 -0500, Bob wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Regarding the body side moldings on the doors that used to be pretty much
> standard, but now, apparently, in the "lesser" models an add on option.
>
> In the "old" days I seem to remember that these strips were held on
> mechanically.
> Perhaps a riveted channel, with the molding being a slip-in piece. Can't
> remember, exactly.
>
> Anyway, the dealer tells me that for a new Corolla, these moldings, if he
> adds them, are glued on.
>
> Question: are the adhesives he would use to do this so good that the
> piece will likely stay on for the life of the car ? I would have my
> doubts, but I do realize structural adhesives have come a long way.
>
> If I have him add them, anything to be concerned about ?
>
> BTW: How does the factory fasten them if they do it; same way ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob

They'll probably stay on for as long as you own it, and if not, the car
will probably have a LOT of miles on it anyway.

There are adhesives available now, that if you bond two pieces of metal
together, and then weld another piece to that, the weld will rip beofre
the glue lets go.



From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 3 Feb 2010 19:36
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:06:51 -0600, Ray O wrote:

>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hkcjot$tar$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message
>> news:hkciql$gkl$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Bob" <rgsros(a)notme.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:hkccg0$hp9$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the body side moldings on the doors that used to be pretty
>>>> much standard, but now, apparently, in the "lesser" models an add on
>>>> option.
>>>>
>>>> In the "old" days I seem to remember that these strips were held on
>>>> mechanically.
>>>> Perhaps a riveted channel, with the molding being a slip-in piece.
>>>> Can't remember, exactly.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, the dealer tells me that for a new Corolla, these moldings, if
>>>> he adds them, are glued on.
>>>>
>>>> Question: are the adhesives he would use to do this so good that the
>>>> piece will likely stay on for the life of the car ? I would have my
>>>> doubts, but I do realize structural adhesives have come a long way.
>>>>
>>>> If I have him add them, anything to be concerned about ?
>>>>
>>>> BTW: How does the factory fasten them if they do it; same way ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> Body side moldings are not a factory option for the 2010 Corolla, but
>>> color-matched body side moldings are offered as a genuine Toyota
>>> accessory.
>>>
>>> Body side moldings are generally held in place with a special adhesive
>>> tape that generally lasts a pretty long time. Even if it doesn't stay
>>> in place for the life of the car, a little Automotive Goop would
>>> probably hold it in place for a long time. I used Automotive Goop to
>>> attach a cellular antenna to the rear window, and when I went to remove
>>> it 10 years of car washes, harsh winters and summers later, I had to
>>> use a putty knife to pry it off.
>>>
>>> I would not be concerned about dealer installed genuine Toyota
>>> accessories, but I would pass on door edge guards because they are not
>>> a genuine Toyota accessory and tend to abrade the paint and trap
>>> moisture. --
>>>
>>>
>> That's a new one on me.
>>
>> I suppose it makes sense though, they stick the emblems on with glue,
>> there's no real reason they couldn't stick the side moldings on the same
>> way.
>>
>> I agree with you, the Genuine Toyota moldings should stick fine and last
>> the life of the car.
>>
>> I'm not sure I agree with the idea that the door edge guards are a
>> problem, we've had a minivan for 15 years that has edge guards that are
>> stuck on and there's no apparent problem as a result. I suppose living
>> in this climatic hellhole where I live might make my mileage different,
>> but I see no problems with door edge guards that are held on with glue.
>>
>>
> I do not know if this is still the case, but in the case of warranty
> claims for paint or rust, a district service manager had to authorize the
> repair, and before I authorized that type of repair, I personally
> inspected the vehicle.
>
> The gap between the front and rear doors and between the rear doors and
> rear fender were about the same thickness as the thickness of the door
> edge guards, so a door edge guard on the front door would abrade the
> leading edge of the rear door, and the door edge guard on the rear door
> would abrade the rear fender. One of the service managers I called on
> pointed out that the gap on Detroit 3 products was about 1 mm larger so
> that the door edge guards didn't interfere with the operation of the door.
>
> I am not really a fan of door edge guards because they are all aftermarket
> and tend to come loose over time and they don't do much for the appearance
> of the vehicle.

And if you buy a 1980 Zephyr made in Canada, the driver's side has them,
and the passenger's side doesn't! ;)



From: Ray O on 3 Feb 2010 20:02

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2010.02.04.00.36.22.338335(a)e86.GTS...
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:06:51 -0600, Ray O wrote:
>
>>
<snipped>
>> I am not really a fan of door edge guards because they are all
>> aftermarket
>> and tend to come loose over time and they don't do much for the
>> appearance
>> of the vehicle.
>
> And if you buy a 1980 Zephyr made in Canada, the driver's side has them,
> and the passenger's side doesn't! ;)
>
>

maybe those cars were originally right hand drive :-)
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


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