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From: Mike Hunter on 9 Jan 2010 12:31 Ya right, dummy LOL "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:4b48b211$0$1604$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > dr_jeff wrote: > >>> Don't think that the Toyotas or Hondas you see on a Ford, GM, or >>> Chrysler lot were traded in for a new Ford, GM, or Chrysler--in most >>> cases they weren't. The used Ford and GM vehicles are wholesaled out to >>> those used car lots that are usually scattered along auto rows. The Ford >>> and GM dealers make more (per vehicle) selling used Toyotas and Hondas >>> than they make selling new Ford and GM products. >> >> Stop it now! How dare you use knowledge and logic to deflate Mike >> Hunter's words. Seriously, this is a rarity. Usually, his logic is >> convoluted and false, that he defeats himself. Considering how he shoots >> off his mouth about auctions and having owned so many dealerships, one >> would think he knows about what he is talking. > > Whatever. I still think his funniest bit of lack of knowledge was about > how warranties work. He is one very clueless individual.
From: Indrek Aavisto on 10 Jan 2010 14:34 >>Firenza or Geo anyone? c> Did you ever OWN a Firenza??? c> I did. c> Quite possibly the best dollar for dollar deal I ever made, and I got c> more for it than I paid for it when I sold it about 6 years later, c> and the new owner drove it at least 5 more years. It wnt to the c> scrapyard looking basically as good as when I bought it, because we c> could not get a required part for the steering rack without ordering c> it from Britain. c> That car was virtually trouble free - the only "GM" vehicle I've c> owned c> that I could say that about with a straight face. c> I DID service it as a British car - which means it DOES require c> regular minor maintenance. HMM, I bought a brand new Firenza in 1969 and sold it after less than a year. It was a total POC which left me stranded on the roadside on several occasions. No fun in 20 below, I can assure you. The car had a so called "high performance" engine. With the accelerator floored it had trouble mainting 50m.p.h. up the slightest incline. Cheers, Indrek Aavisto -- Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult. W.S. Churchill
From: Tom on 10 Jan 2010 14:49 "Indrek Aavisto" <nospamaavisto(a)cyberbeach.net> wrote in message news:4Z6dnUeBEINCttfWnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>Firenza or Geo anyone? > c> Did you ever OWN a Firenza??? > c> I did. > c> Quite possibly the best dollar for dollar deal I ever made, and I got > c> more for it than I paid for it when I sold it about 6 years later, > c> and the new owner drove it at least 5 more years. It wnt to the > c> scrapyard looking basically as good as when I bought it, because we > c> could not get a required part for the steering rack without ordering > c> it from Britain. > > c> That car was virtually trouble free - the only "GM" vehicle I've > c> owned > c> that I could say that about with a straight face. > c> I DID service it as a British car - which means it DOES require > c> regular minor maintenance. > > HMM, > > I bought a brand new Firenza in 1969 and sold it after less than a year. > It was a total POC which left me stranded on the roadside on several > occasions. No fun in 20 below, I can assure you. The car had a so called > "high performance" engine. With the accelerator floored it had trouble > mainting 50m.p.h. up the slightest incline. > > Cheers, > > Indrek Aavisto > > -- Total Fabrication not to be believed, cite the problems that the dealer > wouldn�t fix under warranty outside of a yugo I never heard of a auto that bad. what were the problems, out of gas what?? How many times, don�t just make statements just to troll. > Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult. W.S. Churchill >
From: Ray O on 10 Jan 2010 17:33 "Tom" <tc(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:hidb0c$bdp$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > "Indrek Aavisto" <nospamaavisto(a)cyberbeach.net> wrote in message > news:4Z6dnUeBEINCttfWnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>Firenza or Geo anyone? >> c> Did you ever OWN a Firenza??? >> c> I did. >> c> Quite possibly the best dollar for dollar deal I ever made, and I got >> c> more for it than I paid for it when I sold it about 6 years later, >> c> and the new owner drove it at least 5 more years. It wnt to the >> c> scrapyard looking basically as good as when I bought it, because we >> c> could not get a required part for the steering rack without ordering >> c> it from Britain. >> >> c> That car was virtually trouble free - the only "GM" vehicle I've >> c> owned >> c> that I could say that about with a straight face. >> c> I DID service it as a British car - which means it DOES require >> c> regular minor maintenance. >> >> HMM, >> >> I bought a brand new Firenza in 1969 and sold it after less than a year. >> It was a total POC which left me stranded on the roadside on several >> occasions. No fun in 20 below, I can assure you. The car had a so called >> "high performance" engine. With the accelerator floored it had trouble >> mainting 50m.p.h. up the slightest incline. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Indrek Aavisto >> >> -- Total Fabrication not to be believed, cite the problems that the >> dealer wouldn�t fix under warranty > outside of a yugo I never heard of a auto that bad. what were the > problems, out of gas what?? > How many times, don�t just make statements just to troll. > >> Criticism is easy; achievement is difficult. W.S. Churchill >> The front engine/rear drive Vauxhall Firenza produced in England and sold in the 1970's is not the same front engine/front drive Oldsmobile Firenza produced in Mississippi and sold in the 1980's. Although they shared a name and parent company, I don't think the Vauxhall version would normally be considered as "domestic" in the U.S. Some food for thought: in the context of a vehicle sold in the U.S, are these cars "domestic" or something else? 1970's Mercury Capri, produced in Germany Late model Ford Crown Victoria produced in Ontario, Canada Chevrolet HHR produced in the U.S. with 65% parts from Mexico but labeled as 85% domestic content because GM averages parts from larger SUV's How about a Camry produced in Kentucky with 80% domestic content vs. a Ford Taurus 2004-2006 Pontiac GTO, produced in Australia Pontiac Vibe produced by NUMMI in the U.S. vs. Toyota Matrix? -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Ed Pawlowski on 10 Jan 2010 18:25
Ray O wrote: > Some food for thought: in the context of a vehicle sold in the U.S, > are these cars "domestic" or something else? > > 1970's Mercury Capri, produced in Germany > Late model Ford Crown Victoria produced in Ontario, Canada > Chevrolet HHR produced in the U.S. with 65% parts from Mexico but > labeled as 85% domestic content because GM averages parts from larger > SUV's How about a Camry produced in Kentucky with 80% domestic content vs. > a Ford Taurus > 2004-2006 Pontiac GTO, produced in Australia > Pontiac Vibe produced by NUMMI in the U.S. vs. Toyota Matrix? That is the fodder for many pissing contests, especially in the past year or so since the auto industry bombed. We should be buying the "best" car that suits us. It may be US built or it may not be. Automakers should be making what customers want in order to make the highest sales. Government should stay out of it. |