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From: charlesgrozny on 20 Mar 2010 12:19 Because Whiney Joe Besser has his head FIRMLY up his Communist Obama-loving A$$ as usual. I've lost total respect for my boss this last week after working for him for 10 years. He's a total socialist and I didn't even know. Charles Grozny
From: Clive on 20 Mar 2010 15:41 In message <W7adnTbqxqIIaDnWnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, charlesgrozny <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> writes >Because Whiney Joe Besser has his head FIRMLY up his Communist Obama-loving >A$$ as usual. I never knew that Toyota lovers were all socialists, do you? >I've lost total respect for my boss this last week after working for him for >10 years. He's a total socialist and I didn't even know. >Charles Grozny -- Clive
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 20 Mar 2010 18:12 On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:05:25 -0700, in2dadark wrote: > Basically a 2 line bill. There's the problem. Too simple. No new bureaucracies.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 20 Mar 2010 18:14 On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:41:15 +0000, Clive wrote: > In message <W7adnTbqxqIIaDnWnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, charlesgrozny > <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> writes >>Because Whiney Joe Besser has his head FIRMLY up his Communist >>Obama-loving A$$ as usual. > I never knew that Toyota lovers were all socialists, do you? Seems to run about 50/50... >>I've lost total respect for my boss this last week after working for him >>for 10 years. He's a total socialist and I didn't even know. Charles >>Grozny
From: larry moe 'n curly on 20 Mar 2010 19:11
Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B wrote: > > Wow. You seem firmly entrenched in the idea government will better manage > healthcare than anyone else. I'm not, and I've said so, many times. But you people who are kneejerk always against government won't look at the facts in regards to health care: The US has one of the least socialized medical systems in the developed world but the highest health care costs, and in the US, government run health insurance is a lot cheaper than private insurance, and government-run hospitals are almost always cheaper than private ones. > That's unfortunate. > > The government screws up everything they touch. You can tell me > how well the military, etc is run but they all hemmorrage money. They don't. How much did Eisenhower's biggest project bleed? > They could all be run more efficiently. The same will be said about > healthcare. It's going to be a money drain with these people running it. So why can't private health insurance be more efficient, even as efficient as government insurance? > The best thing for the government to do is to set it up so there are > guidelines (REASONABLE guidelines) that insurance companies have to > follow. US insurance companies have always been against them. > You can't squeeze them too hard or they'll go belly up and then no > on has coverage. That hasn't been the case in Japan and most of Europe, where a lot of health coverage is provided by private entities that aren't allowed to reject applicants or charge sick people more. > You can't let them run as open-loop as they are now or we > get the mess we have currently. There is a solution. Unfortunately, we > don't know what it is. It seems to be some closely guarded secret, since > even Nancy Pelosi can't wait to find out what's in it (if that is not an > alarm bell for you, then it's an indication that voters need to be > required to pass some kind of a test before casting a vote...) > > And, no, I am not sure what an HSA is. I have a BDC in a CMT and a SSRI > guarding my HLA from WMD. Maybe is you tell me what it is it would make > more sense. I have a feeling it's an 'account' where you set money aside > for an emergency situation. A Health Savings Account is a high-deductible health insurance policy combined with a tax-free saving/investment plan where the savings can cover the deductible or be used for about anything else. The problem for most people is covering the deductible before enough money is saved into it. > I know you don't like the term "Socialism" when it comes to the health > care bill, but what would you call it? Socialized Medicine? You're wrong because I have no objection to calling a spade a spade and have frequently referred to universal health care as socialized medicine. Where did you get the wrong idea otherwise? > Like Scott Brown said on the Today show after his election; Merideth Viera > said "mass has a health care plan, why don't you want that for all states?" > "Any state can set up any plan they want..." Of course he did. He's a Republican and can't go any farther, out of fear from the national party. It's more important go get the job done than to argue whether it should be done exclusively by the states or also include federal involvement, and very, very few state legislatures want health care reform because most of them are in the pockets of private insurance companies and many of them hold full-time "jobs" with them (have you ever noticed that legislators usually work for insurance, real estate, or utility interests?). Arizona isn't nearly as liberal as Massachusetts, and here you won't find any Republicans outside of the Tucson area who are in favor of universal coverage. It's so bad here that the cutoff level for subsidized care was less than the official federal poverty line, and just recently, the legislature decided to drop over 40,000 kids from the system. Meanwhile, many of the most ardent critics of universal care are enjoying their Medicare benfits. |