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From: JoeSpareBedroom on 19 Mar 2010 14:19 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ho0eqf$et6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:mjLon.26873$ao7.12702(a)newsfe21.iad... >> "Hachiroku" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >> news:hnvuvn$695$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >>> >>> "You VILL haff healthcare, und you vill LIKE IT! JA?!" >>> >> >> >> What's the cost of NOT having health care? You have the information. >> You're a smart guy, according to you. >> > > > The cost of ME not having health care affects primarily me. The cost of > Obama providing me with health care affects primarily everybody else. It > is not your job to cover my health costs. Not my job, but I still end up paying for people without coverage and so do you, RIGHT NOW, before any legislation is passed. You will now disagree.
From: larry moe 'n curly on 19 Mar 2010 14:47 Hachiroku wrote: > > The numbers came out yesterday. > > The bill will provide healthcare to 30M Americans. > It will cost ~$1T > > One trillion to cover 30 million? > What's not being represented by the report from the budget office? > Why not just put the 30M on Medicare? That's what I favored, and it would not only be cheaper but probably cut down on the insurance bureacracy that doctors have to deal with. But the insurance industry and the far right wing opposed the "public option" as being socialism (socialism!!!!), so we're stuck with this watered-down, higher cost plan for now. Still, it's going to be an improvement over the current system, and it will not only provide coverage for the uninsured but also improve cost controls, meaning every patient should benefit. I wish the Obama plan included a provision to reduce the silly arbitrary rules that private insurers impose on doctors, making them spend 1-2 hours a day on the phone and employ an extra person to sort things out, probably wasting $50,000-$100,000 per office. > "You VILL haff healthcare, und you vill LIKE IT! JA?!" Hitler killed over 10 million civilians because he hated them, not because he wanted to implement universal health coverage. Stop trivializing. > I hope eddy and lmc have to provide their own coverage so they can see > how wonderful it really is. I have an HSA. This is a wonderful tax loophole that never should have been allowed because it's highly impractical and unhelpful for lower income people.
From: Jeff Strickland on 19 Mar 2010 14:59 "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:GePon.34092$NH1.27256(a)newsfe14.iad... > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:ho0eqf$et6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message >> news:mjLon.26873$ao7.12702(a)newsfe21.iad... >>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>> news:hnvuvn$695$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>>> >>>> "You VILL haff healthcare, und you vill LIKE IT! JA?!" >>>> >>> >>> >>> What's the cost of NOT having health care? You have the information. >>> You're a smart guy, according to you. >>> >> >> >> The cost of ME not having health care affects primarily me. The cost of >> Obama providing me with health care affects primarily everybody else. It >> is not your job to cover my health costs. > > Not my job, but I still end up paying for people without coverage and so > do you, RIGHT NOW, before any legislation is passed. > > You will now disagree. > There is no way that 32 million uninsured people will cost a TRILLION DOLLARS, that's 31,250 for each of those 32 million. I'm not sure what the actuarial tables say about this, but that's alot of money. If 1% of those people actually make a claim, the payout can be OVER 3 MILLION dollars on all of them before we get to a trillion. I have no idea what the expected claim rate is, but I'd guess it to be at around 1%.
From: SMS on 19 Mar 2010 15:02 JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > Not my job, but I still end up paying for people without coverage and so do > you, RIGHT NOW, before any legislation is passed. > > You will now disagree. This is one time where he probably won't disagree. Everyone knows that those with insurance are subsidizing those without insurance in the most expensive possible way. The Republicans are against the health care plan because they are automatically against everything Obama does, it has nothing to do with pros and cons of the bill. Their only tactic is to stand united in opposition to everything Obama does, and hope for him to fail.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 19 Mar 2010 15:11
"SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:4ba3ca37$0$1667$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > >> Not my job, but I still end up paying for people without coverage and so >> do you, RIGHT NOW, before any legislation is passed. >> >> You will now disagree. > > This is one time where he probably won't disagree. Everyone knows that > those with insurance are subsidizing those without insurance in the most > expensive possible way. > > The Republicans are against the health care plan because they are > automatically against everything Obama does, it has nothing to do with > pros and cons of the bill. Their only tactic is to stand united in > opposition to everything Obama does, and hope for him to fail. Republicans: The Party of No |