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From: SMS on 19 Mar 2010 15:53 JoeSpareBedroom wrote: > "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message > news:4ba3ca37$0$1667$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >> JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> >>> Not my job, but I still end up paying for people without coverage and so >>> do you, RIGHT NOW, before any legislation is passed. >>> >>> You will now disagree. >> This is one time where he probably won't disagree. Everyone knows that >> those with insurance are subsidizing those without insurance in the most >> expensive possible way. >> >> The Republicans are against the health care plan because they are >> automatically against everything Obama does, it has nothing to do with >> pros and cons of the bill. Their only tactic is to stand united in >> opposition to everything Obama does, and hope for him to fail. > > > Republicans: The Party of No Which will come back to bite them in the you know where.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 19 Mar 2010 15:55 "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:4ba3d641$0$1586$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message >> news:4ba3ca37$0$1667$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>> JoeSpareBedroom wrote: >>> >>>> Not my job, but I still end up paying for people without coverage and >>>> so do you, RIGHT NOW, before any legislation is passed. >>>> >>>> You will now disagree. >>> This is one time where he probably won't disagree. Everyone knows that >>> those with insurance are subsidizing those without insurance in the most >>> expensive possible way. >>> >>> The Republicans are against the health care plan because they are >>> automatically against everything Obama does, it has nothing to do with >>> pros and cons of the bill. Their only tactic is to stand united in >>> opposition to everything Obama does, and hope for him to fail. >> >> >> Republicans: The Party of No > > Which will come back to bite them in the you know where. It's already happening. http://www.pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 19 Mar 2010 16:50 On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:27:23 -0700, ACAR wrote: > On Mar 19, 9:42 am, Hachiroku <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> The numbers came out yesterday. >> >> The bill will provide healthcare to 30M Americans. It will cost ~$1T >> > nice try > now how about telling us about the other side of the balance sheet. > perhaps you can find that info via the CBO > > post costs without posting benefits is exactly the kind of misleading > info. that makes it impossible to have an honest debate. > > maybe you should stick to cars. I'm just repeating what I heard on NBC last night. 30M people and $1T. Don't blame me if it doesn't make sense. Nothing Obama and Pelosi have done so far has.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 19 Mar 2010 16:55 "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:ho0o37$ksq$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > Don't blame me if it doesn't make sense. Nothing Obama and Pelosi have > done so far has. > > Neither does vehemently defending a concept when you don't understand what it means because you did zero research.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 19 Mar 2010 17:02
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 11:47:44 -0700, larry moe 'n curly wrote: > > > Hachiroku wrote: >> >> The numbers came out yesterday. >> >> The bill will provide healthcare to 30M Americans. It will cost ~$1T >> >> One trillion to cover 30 million? >> What's not being represented by the report from the budget office? Why >> not just put the 30M on Medicare? > > That's what I favored, and it would not only be cheaper but probably cut > down on the insurance bureacracy that doctors have to deal with. But the > insurance industry and the far right wing opposed the "public option" as > being socialism (socialism!!!!), so we're stuck with this watered-down, > higher cost plan for now. Still, it's going to be an improvement over the > current system, and it will not only provide coverage for the uninsured > but also improve cost controls, meaning every patient should benefit. Who said 'the reight sing' opposed it? IT WAS NEVER OFFERED! I would be all in favor of making Medicare available for people stuck in the gap. Not a problem! Why shake up the entire country for 30M people? That's not even 10% No, if Nobraina and Princess Pelosi would suggest that, perhaps there could be an agreement. They don't want that. They want the whole ball of wax. They want YOU to get health coverage. If you can't afford it, there will be a 'connector' option, just like in Mass, where it's on a sliding scale. If you get it from work...er, scratch that. Why would an employer offer healthcare if he doesn't have to? Notice it will not apply to union members for 10 years. What happens after 10 years? For those of you 'deemed' to be able to afoord healthcare with no 'connector' or employer option? Grab your ankles now,. YOU get schtupped about a day after the bill gets passed. > > I wish the Obama plan included a provision to reduce the silly arbitrary > rules that private insurers impose on doctors, making them spend 1-2 hours > a day on the phone and employ an extra person to sort things out, probably > wasting $50,000-$100,000 per office. Where'd that come from? Either a person does the paperwork for the insurance cos, or the doctor does it, cutting into the time he has available for patients. What's really funny here is that you seem to think the Government getting their fingers into it is going to make that BETTER! BWAHAHAHAHA!!! They're going to have to hire yet ANOTHER person to deal with the beauracracy, and I'd bet lawyers and/or accountant fees will increase as well. The government does so many things so much better than someone doing it for profit. >> "You VILL haff healthcare, und you vill LIKE IT! JA?!" > > Hitler killed over 10 million civilians because he hated them, not > because he wanted to implement universal health coverage. Stop > trivializing. Who's trivializing? They're basing this on the Mass plan, in part. You ain't seen nothin' yet! Utopian ideals are so good to dream about, until the government gets involved in them. > >> I hope eddy and lmc have to provide their own coverage so they can see >> how wonderful it really is. > > I have an HSA. This is a wonderful tax loophole that never should have > been allowed because it's highly impractical and unhelpful for lower > income people. Well, prepare to kiss it goodbye. Like I said, if you can afford "regular" health care... |