2002 Corolla Turning the AC on when defrosting
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From: Jane Galt on 31 Jul 2010 23:02 "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote : > > "Jane Galt" <Jane_G(a)gulch.xyz> wrote in message > news:Xns9DC3E747AAB38JaneGgulchxyz(a)216.196.97.142... >> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote : >> >>> >>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >>> news:i2pv67$tj1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:i2peh1$ird$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> >>>>> "Jane Galt" <Jane_G(a)gulch.xyz> wrote in message >>>> >>>>>> My gas bill will notice it, and it puts wear on the compressor. >>>>> >>>>> You gas consumption from the AC isn't worth the discussion. Less >>>>> than a few miles on a tank of gas. >>>> >>>> For years I have kept a gas mileage log book. I've never been able to >>>> find a difference in mileage based on the time of the year >>>> (Winter/Fall/Spring versus summer). This implies to me, the cost to >>>> run the A/C is negligible. >>>> >>>> As for wear, running the compressor occasionally is actually a good >>>> thing - it assures the internal components and seals stay lubricated. >>>> >>> >>> I agree. There can't be more of an affect than few miles on an entire >>> tank of gas that comes from using the AC. >> >> A couple of mpg? >> > > Jeff is saying (IMO correctly) that the effect of having the AC on is a > couple of miles on a tank of gas, which is not the same thin as a couple > of MPG. In other words, you might get 320 miles out of a tank of gas > instead of 322 miles. If you used 10 gallons of gas, you would get 32 > and 32.2 MPG respectively. > > Modern automotive AC systems are so efficient that the effect on MPG is > not easily measurable by the average driver in real world driving > conditions. Wow, I had no idea. Impressive. -- - Jane Galt Looks like they have Tea Party stickers & shirts for August 28th http://www.cafepress.com/A_REVOLUTIONARY
From: Jane Galt on 31 Jul 2010 23:05 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote : > > "Jane Galt" <Jane_G(a)gulch.xyz> wrote in message > news:Xns9DC3E747AAB38JaneGgulchxyz(a)216.196.97.142... >> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote : >> >>> >>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >>> news:i2pv67$tj1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> >>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>> news:i2peh1$ird$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> >>>>> "Jane Galt" <Jane_G(a)gulch.xyz> wrote in message >>>> >>>>>> My gas bill will notice it, and it puts wear on the compressor. >>>>> >>>>> You gas consumption from the AC isn't worth the discussion. Less >>>>> than a few miles on a tank of gas. >>>> >>>> For years I have kept a gas mileage log book. I've never been able to >>>> find a difference in mileage based on the time of the year >>>> (Winter/Fall/Spring versus summer). This implies to me, the cost to >>>> run the A/C is negligible. >>>> >>>> As for wear, running the compressor occasionally is actually a good >>>> thing - it assures the internal components and seals stay lubricated. >>>> >>> >>> I agree. There can't be more of an affect than few miles on an entire >>> tank of gas that comes from using the AC. >> >> A couple of mpg? >> > > Not a couple mpg, a couple of tenths of mpg. > > I said, "miles on an entire tank of gas." Let's say you can go 320 miles > on a tank of gas without the AC on, you would go 310 miles with the AC > on. These numbers are ones I pulled out of my butt to illustrate the > point that the AC is not a significant burden on fuel mileage, as it > once was. Sounds amazing. I remember AC's used to take off 3 MPG, but not how long ago that changed. Is that true too, for the 93 Corollas? -- - Jane Galt Looks like they have Tea Party stickers & shirts for August 28th http://www.cafepress.com/A_REVOLUTIONARY
From: Jane Galt on 31 Jul 2010 23:07 "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote : > > "Jane Galt" <Jane_G(a)gulch.xyz> wrote in message > news:Xns9DC3EE953EBB8JaneGgulchxyz(a)216.196.97.142... >> >>><snipped>> >>>> If I could modify the car, I'd put a switch in there to select >>>> headlights on all the time, or not. >>> >>> That switch already is in your car. >> >> Huh? > > Just leave the headlight switch in the on position to have them on all > the time, and turn the switch to the off position to turn them off. > > When you exit the car with the headlights on and engine off, hit the > lock button on your remote keyless fob twice to turn off the lights. > >> >>> I'd put a darn thermostat in for the AC compressor >>>> so we dont have to do that by hand. ( the AC is SO cold in this car >>>> that if >>>> it's cloudy in the summer, we have to keep switching the ac button on >>>> and off! ) >>> >>> Try turning the temperature control up a little. >>> >>> And I'd put in an option switch to either turn on the AC compressor >>>> in the windshield mode, or not. >>> >>> Then your vehicle would probably not be in compliance with FMVSS 103, >>> which pertains to windshield defrosting and defogging systems and how >>> quickly they clear the winndshield of frost and/or fog. >> >> Oh frap, more government regs? >> > > The standards regulate how quickly the windshield is cleared and which > part of the windshield is cleared first. To me, this seems like a > reasonable standard. I'm in the U.S. so few regulations seem "reasonable" to me. -- - Jane Galt Looks like they have Tea Party stickers & shirts for August 28th http://www.cafepress.com/A_REVOLUTIONARY
From: Clive on 1 Aug 2010 04:49 In message <Xns9DC6D683C18EJaneGgulchxyz(a)216.196.97.142>, Jane Galt <Jane_G(a)gulch.xyz> writes >Sounds amazing. >I remember AC's used to take off 3 MPG, but not how long ago that changed. >Is that true too, for the 93 Corollas? I would doubt it, although I don't live in America or drive American cars, I do have an 09 Toyota Auris and that takes a 2 mpg hit with the A/C on. That's in the handbook so I'll take it as official. -- Clive
From: Ray O on 1 Aug 2010 16:02
"Jane Galt" <Jane_G(a)gulch.xyz> wrote in message news:Xns9DC6D683C18EJaneGgulchxyz(a)216.196.97.142... > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote : > >> >> "Jane Galt" <Jane_G(a)gulch.xyz> wrote in message >> news:Xns9DC3E747AAB38JaneGgulchxyz(a)216.196.97.142... >>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote : >>> >>>> >>>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >>>> news:i2pv67$tj1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> >>>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:i2peh1$ird$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>> >>>>>> "Jane Galt" <Jane_G(a)gulch.xyz> wrote in message >>>>> >>>>>>> My gas bill will notice it, and it puts wear on the compressor. >>>>>> >>>>>> You gas consumption from the AC isn't worth the discussion. Less >>>>>> than a few miles on a tank of gas. >>>>> >>>>> For years I have kept a gas mileage log book. I've never been able to >>>>> find a difference in mileage based on the time of the year >>>>> (Winter/Fall/Spring versus summer). This implies to me, the cost to >>>>> run the A/C is negligible. >>>>> >>>>> As for wear, running the compressor occasionally is actually a good >>>>> thing - it assures the internal components and seals stay lubricated. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I agree. There can't be more of an affect than few miles on an entire >>>> tank of gas that comes from using the AC. >>> >>> A couple of mpg? >>> >> >> Not a couple mpg, a couple of tenths of mpg. >> >> I said, "miles on an entire tank of gas." Let's say you can go 320 miles >> on a tank of gas without the AC on, you would go 310 miles with the AC >> on. These numbers are ones I pulled out of my butt to illustrate the >> point that the AC is not a significant burden on fuel mileage, as it >> once was. > > Sounds amazing. > > I remember AC's used to take off 3 MPG, but not how long ago that changed. > > Is that true too, for the 93 Corollas? > > > -- > - Jane Galt > No. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |