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From: Mike Hunter on 14 Jul 2010 11:03 Some drivers were obviously confused. That does it exonerate Toyota for the design defect that lead to drivers being confused about the position on the foot brake "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:xn0gwl68jgjmcw001(a)reader.albasani.net... > The U.S. Department of Transportation has analyzed dozens of data > recorders from Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in accidents blamed > on sudden acceleration and found that at the time of the crashes, > throttles were wide open and the brakes were not engaged, people > familiar with the findings said. > > The results suggest that some drivers who said their Toyota and Lexus > vehicles surged out of control were mistakenly flooring the accelerator > when they intended to jam on the brakes. But the findings don't > exonerate Toyota from two known issues blamed for sudden acceleration > in its vehicles: sticky accelerator pedals and floor mats that can trap > accelerator pedals to the floor. > > The findings by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration > involve a sample of reports in which a driver of a Toyota vehicle said > the brakes were depressed but failed to stop the car from accelerating > and ultimately crashing. > > The data recorders analyzed by NHTSA were selected by the agency, not > Toyota, based on complaints the drivers had filed with the government. > > > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834604575364871534435744.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEADNewsCollection
From: jor on 14 Jul 2010 11:17 On 2010-07-13 11:22:40 -0700, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> said: > The U.S. Department of Transportation has analyzed dozens of data > recorders from Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in accidents blamed > on sudden acceleration and found that at the time of the crashes, > throttles were wide open and the brakes were not engaged, people > familiar with the findings said. > > The results suggest that some drivers who said their Toyota and Lexus > vehicles surged out of control were mistakenly flooring the accelerator > when they intended to jam on the brakes. But the findings don't > exonerate Toyota from two known issues blamed for sudden acceleration > in its vehicles: sticky accelerator pedals and floor mats that can trap > accelerator pedals to the floor. > > The findings by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration > involve a sample of reports in which a driver of a Toyota vehicle said > the brakes were depressed but failed to stop the car from accelerating > and ultimately crashing. > > The data recorders analyzed by NHTSA were selected by the agency, not > Toyota, based on complaints the drivers had filed with the government. > > > > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834604575364871534435744.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEADNewsCollection Well, > I guess one has to accept NHTSA findings as objective and valid but it's tough (at least for me). I, like all of you, have owned many cars over the years including five Toyotas. Never have I accidentally hit the accelerator on any of them. Don't know of anyone else that's done so either. Why would an experienced driver suddenly mistake the accelerator for the brake? Also, let's say these unfortunates did, in fact, do that. Why would he they leave their foot mashed to the floor? Are they all in some kind of trance or what? I would think most people in this freak out situation would start stabbing all the pedals, engaging the parking brake, shifting, whatever. I thought the same thing in the Audi deal. But I guess I've gotta accept that I'm wrong on this one. jor
From: Clive on 14 Jul 2010 13:07 In message <2010071408174516807-jor(a)jorcom>, jor <jor(a)jor.com> writes >I guess one has to accept NHTSA findings as objective and valid but >it's tough (at least for me). I, like all of you, have owned many cars >over the years including five Toyotas. Never have I accidentally hit >the accelerator on any of them. Don't know of anyone else that's done >so either. Why would an experienced driver suddenly mistake the >accelerator for the brake? I've done this very thing about ten years ago. I'd never had a car with a rest for the clutch foot before but my new car (6months) had one. I was crawling in traffic when the vehicle in front stopped. Instinctively I rammed down the clutch foot and hit the brake pedal with my right, just the next pedal along and thought my brakes had failed. Only after the crunch, luckily at about 3mph did I realise where my feet were, I now make sure I keep a positive thinking distance between me and the car in front. -- Clive
From: Mark on 14 Jul 2010 13:18 I've never had mine come off the hooks. On Jul 13, 8:57 pm, Skep...(a)MonopolyISP.edu wrote: > Mark <bogusmailm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >My 4.5 year old Scion has hooks on the driver's mat to prevent it from > >creeping forward. > > Yeah, so does mine, but the mats soon come off the hooks if you apply > pressure such as when you're trying to get something out of your pants > pocket (like a toll) and you lift up your butt to get at the pocket > while pressing down on your feet and back on your shoulders. The mats > slide right off the hooks. A better design would be a securing bolt > passing through a plastic washer.
From: Just my name jackj180{send no on 18 Jul 2010 19:17
Q: What controls the throttle plate? A: The computer. Q: What controls the brakes on a car with ABS? A: The computer. Q: What generates the data that is recorded in the data recorders? A: The computer. Are you beginning to see a pattern here? One of the inputs to the computer glitches and tells the computer the throttle needs to be wide open. The computer opens the throttle wide and logs it as a command from the driver. Upon a power cycle, the computer input resets and the tech sees no code because the computer didn't see a failure, it saw valid command. On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:22:40 +0000 (UTC), "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote: >The U.S. Department of Transportation has analyzed dozens of data >recorders from Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in accidents blamed >on sudden acceleration and found that at the time of the crashes, >throttles were wide open and the brakes were not engaged, people >familiar with the findings said. > >The results suggest that some drivers who said their Toyota and Lexus >vehicles surged out of control were mistakenly flooring the accelerator >when they intended to jam on the brakes. But the findings don't >exonerate Toyota from two known issues blamed for sudden acceleration >in its vehicles: sticky accelerator pedals and floor mats that can trap >accelerator pedals to the floor. > >The findings by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration >involve a sample of reports in which a driver of a Toyota vehicle said >the brakes were depressed but failed to stop the car from accelerating >and ultimately crashing. > >The data recorders analyzed by NHTSA were selected by the agency, not >Toyota, based on complaints the drivers had filed with the government. > > > >http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834604575364871534435744.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEADNewsCollection |