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From: Ray O on 22 Jan 2010 01:22 "in2dadark" <in2dadark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:748b90f4-9513-47eb-a7d9-34835fdea05f(a)p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... On Jan 21, 4:07 pm, spsffan <spsf...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > ron wrote: > > I haven't had a timing belt done but a few years ago did a complete 60K > > service on my 02 Highlander (inc front pads). I found a factory trained > > independent Toyota mechanic that used ALL Toyota factory parts and he > > was just damned near half of what the dealer wanted, and the dealer > > brought the parts while I was there! > > > So I'd suggest looking for one. > > > Ron > > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: n...(a)netfront.net --- > > Good advise! Many independent specialists are both lower priced and > perform higher quality work overall that you can get at a typical > dealer. Of course, some don't. Look for one that has been around a long > time and where the shop is always busy. > > But I always wonder about the term "factory trained" for an automobile > mechanic. I see this all the time, and it just doesn't make sense. > > It seems to me that those who work in automobile factories just slap the > same parts in the same place all day long, day in, day out, and don't > have or need any particular knowledge beyond how to do that. > Furthermore, what particular know how would one get from dealing with > brand new cars fresh off the assembly line? What the world needs is > mechanics that can fix and maintain cars that have seen actual road > service. > > This is not to say that the manufacturers don't indeed have mechanic > schools, and I'm pretty sure that most do. But that isn't the factory. Factory trained means they either went to an off site location or had on site training from toyota. It doesn't mean they went to the factory to build cars. They aren't mechanics now. Automobiles require 'Technicians' now.ie.. Ray O... i was an ASE certified Tech. Which I'm certain Ray O is. I also have an associates degree in the automotive field. I can tell you with all my training there were techs who could wrench circles around me at many dealerships. Competition is high to get those 'flat rate' jobs and they are VERY good at what they do. And they have a great deal of pride in and love for their work.. ****************** I used to be have both ASE Master Technician and Toyota Master Tech status (ASE Master Tech is a prerequisite for Toyota Master Tech status) but I let both expire a long time ago because I no longer work in the automotive field. When I was a district service manager, one of my objectives was to have ASE certified technicians and have Toyota Master Technicians at every dealership. I used to talk to the line techs as well as the service manager, parts manager, service advisors, dealer general manager, and dealer owner to let them know how well they were doing on various metrics, and when I encouraged the techs to take the ASE tests, they wanted to know if I was certified and put my money where my mouth was. I have never worked as a line technician or taken any auto shop courses other than the ones Toyota offered to dealer technicians, but I took all 8 ASE tests, passed engine mechanical, engine performance, electrical, and steering and suspension the first shot and read some books and got the rest later - manual transmission, automatic transmission, HVAC, and brakes later. I think a willingness to practice what I preached, take off my suit coat and roll up my sleeves to work on a car, and a knack for fixing problem cars made the dealer personnel more willing to work with me when I needed their cooperation for me to make my objectives. i2dadark is correct regarding "factory" training. Dealer technicians travelled to our office, where we had classrooms and a shop for training on various proprietary systems. In the automotive business, "factory" refers to the automaker, so dealer personnel referred to me as a "factory rep" or "guy from the factory." If anyone wants to get a feel for what the ASE tests are like, google "ASE practive tests. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: FatterDumber& Happier Moe on 22 Jan 2010 05:46 Ray O wrote: > "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:xn0gpen0ochbsz001(a)reader.albasani.net... >> 1997 Camry 4 cylinder LE Automatic 180K miles >> >> Yes, the time has come for the 60K mile timing belt replacement. The >> last two times I had the belt replaced the Toyota dealer told me the >> water pump is fine and left it in. After 180K miles I am beginning to >> think it should be replaced also. The Toyota dealer quoted over $700 >> for these two procedures. To be fair they also included some other >> seals and rings in that area. >> >> Apparently Toyota recommends 60K mile timing belt replacements on 1998 >> and below vehicles and 90K mile replacement intervals on 1999 and above >> vehicles. Why? Aren't the same belts and materials used between a 98 >> and 99? >> >> I am seriously considering just taking it to a local garage for the >> work. Their quote was under $500 but I'm not sure yet if that included >> all the seals and rings that get replaced. If I buy the parts from the >> dealer it is around $275. How much inferior would the parts be that a >> local garage would use? > > Timing belts on Toyotas rarely break before 90k miles, and I believe that > the engine on yours is freewheeling so while a broken belt will leave you > stranded, it shouldn't damage the engine. > > If the water pump is original, I'd consider replacing it. Whether or not > you replace the camshaft and crankshaft seals depends on what their > condition is. If they appear to be dry, I'd leave them alone. > > The quality of the parts that independent shops use varies widely. Some use > OEM parts, some use quality aftermarket parts, and some use the cheapest > stuff they can find. My preference is for OEM because you know what you are > getting. What is the "official" way to tighten that crankshaft bolt?
From: Ray O on 22 Jan 2010 12:05 "FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in message news:4b5981f1$0$12418$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... > Ray O wrote: >> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:xn0gpen0ochbsz001(a)reader.albasani.net... >>> 1997 Camry 4 cylinder LE Automatic 180K miles >>> >>> Yes, the time has come for the 60K mile timing belt replacement. The >>> last two times I had the belt replaced the Toyota dealer told me the >>> water pump is fine and left it in. After 180K miles I am beginning to >>> think it should be replaced also. The Toyota dealer quoted over $700 >>> for these two procedures. To be fair they also included some other >>> seals and rings in that area. >>> >>> Apparently Toyota recommends 60K mile timing belt replacements on 1998 >>> and below vehicles and 90K mile replacement intervals on 1999 and above >>> vehicles. Why? Aren't the same belts and materials used between a 98 >>> and 99? >>> >>> I am seriously considering just taking it to a local garage for the >>> work. Their quote was under $500 but I'm not sure yet if that included >>> all the seals and rings that get replaced. If I buy the parts from the >>> dealer it is around $275. How much inferior would the parts be that a >>> local garage would use? >> >> Timing belts on Toyotas rarely break before 90k miles, and I believe that >> the engine on yours is freewheeling so while a broken belt will leave you >> stranded, it shouldn't damage the engine. >> >> If the water pump is original, I'd consider replacing it. Whether or not >> you replace the camshaft and crankshaft seals depends on what their >> condition is. If they appear to be dry, I'd leave them alone. >> >> The quality of the parts that independent shops use varies widely. Some >> use OEM parts, some use quality aftermarket parts, and some use the >> cheapest stuff they can find. My preference is for OEM because you know >> what you are getting. > > What is the "official" way to tighten that crankshaft bolt? Most of the time, Toyota has a special service tool (SST) that holds the crankshaft pulley stationary while you put a wrench on the bolt. I've never seen anyone actually use the SST since a blip with an impact gun does the job. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: Tegger on 22 Jan 2010 17:13 "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in news:hjclvl$in5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > > "FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote > in message news:4b5981f1$0$12418$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... >> >> What is the "official" way to tighten that crankshaft bolt? > > Most of the time, Toyota has a special service tool (SST) that holds > the crankshaft pulley stationary while you put a wrench on the bolt. > I've never seen anyone actually use the SST since a blip with an > impact gun does the job. I made my own SST from a piece of steel bar stock with two holes in it. Cost me five bucks and works wonderfully. <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/tercel_crank-pulley_tool.jpg> <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/tercel_crank-pulley_tool_close.jpg> The Tercel has a two-piece pulley which allows use of this type of holding method. But if you have a manual tranny, you can just rely on the clutch and brakes to hold the pulley still. -- Tegger
From: Ray O on 22 Jan 2010 17:23
"Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D08AF2979E89tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in > news:hjclvl$in5$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> >> "FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote >> in message news:4b5981f1$0$12418$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net... > >>> >>> What is the "official" way to tighten that crankshaft bolt? >> >> Most of the time, Toyota has a special service tool (SST) that holds >> the crankshaft pulley stationary while you put a wrench on the bolt. >> I've never seen anyone actually use the SST since a blip with an >> impact gun does the job. > > > I made my own SST from a piece of steel bar stock with > two holes in it. Cost me five bucks and works wonderfully. > <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/tercel_crank-pulley_tool.jpg> > <http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/tercel_crank-pulley_tool_close.jpg> > > The Tercel has a two-piece pulley which allows use of this type > of holding method. > > But if you have a manual tranny, you can just rely on the clutch > and brakes to hold the pulley still. > > -- > Tegger > Tegger's design looks very close to the official SST, only sturdier and less expensive! -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |