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From: Ray O on 3 May 2010 15:49

"kpb" <bri1600bv(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 3, 12:56 am, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com>
wrote:
> "kpb" <bri160...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e1732e15-aae0-4771-9fa6-2578c83c5ed4(a)x5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > My ignition seized and I had it removed. Now I drive starting my car,
> > an old Corolla, with a screwdriver. It still runs like a dream with
> > 200K plus miles.
>
> > Is it legal? Or if pulled over will the cops give me a hard time?
>
> The ignition lock is a requirement listed in Federal Motor Vehicle Safety
> Standards (FMVSS) so the lack of a properly working lock means that the
> vehicle is not in compliance with the applicable FMVSS. If your state has
> a
> requirement that the vehicle has to comply with FMVSS, then the lack of a
> working lock means that it is not legal. If you need a screwdriver to turn
> the ignition off, then you have a potential safety issue if you need to
> turn
> the ignition off quickly for some reason like after an accident, and the
> screwdriver is not in a handy place.
>
> Besides the issues with the police if you get pulled over, your vehicle is
> also very easy to steal. If you have children, there is little to keep the
> child from starting the motor.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> I would shop for a replacement lock at a junk yard or dealer soon.

So what would the police do if they pulled me over? Give me a ticket
or tow the car?

**********
I'm not qualified to give legal advice, but I would imagine that at the
least, you would have to prove that you are the owner of the vehicle, and at
the other end of the spectrum, you might get a fix-it ticket unless the
office thought that the vehicle was unsafe and have the car towed.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: Ray O on 3 May 2010 15:58

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message
> news:hrll9d$ffu$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "kpb" <bri1600bv(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e1732e15-aae0-4771-9fa6-2578c83c5ed4(a)x5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>>> My ignition seized and I had it removed. Now I drive starting my car,
>>> an old Corolla, with a screwdriver. It still runs like a dream with
>>> 200K plus miles.
>>>
>>> Is it legal? Or if pulled over will the cops give me a hard time?
>>
>> The ignition lock is a requirement listed in Federal Motor Vehicle Safety
>> Standards (FMVSS) so the lack of a properly working lock means that the
>> vehicle is not in compliance with the applicable FMVSS. If your state
>> has a requirement that the vehicle has to comply with FMVSS, then the
>> lack of a working lock means that it is not legal. If you need a
>> screwdriver to turn the ignition off, then you have a potential safety
>> issue if you need to turn the ignition off quickly for some reason like
>> after an accident, and the screwdriver is not in a handy place.
>>
>> Besides the issues with the police if you get pulled over, your vehicle
>> is also very easy to steal. If you have children, there is little to
>> keep the child from starting the motor.
>> --
>>
>
>
> I have a printed copy of my State's Motor Vehicle Code, and the only
> references I can find to any sort of ignition controls are those that have
> to do with locking out drivers convicted of DUI. There is no law in my
> state that I can find to say that a motor vehicle is required to have a
> set of keys.
>
> I'm sure my insurance company wants my cars to have a key because they are
> insuring against theft. If the car can't be secured, then theft is likely
> and they will surely complain about covering the loss.
>
> I don't know where the OP is posting from, but I'd suggest that his most
> overriding issue is that his behavior/practices look to a cop exactly the
> same as the behavior.practices of a car thief.
>
> If he visits Arizona with that car, and leaves his driver license at home,
> he might be in for some problems.
>

I just checked the State of California, and in Chapter 1 - General
Provisions, Section 24011 - Federal Safety Standard, the vehicle can't be
sold if it doesn't comply with Federal Safety Standards. The chapter
doesn't mention that the vehicle can't be operated.

--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: kpb on 3 May 2010 16:13
On May 3, 3:49 pm, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com>
wrote:
> "kpb" <bri160...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c2898f0b-7321-4e8f-927e-3c1854e02ab7(a)r11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On May 3, 12:56 am, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "kpb" <bri160...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:e1732e15-aae0-4771-9fa6-2578c83c5ed4(a)x5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > My ignition seized and I had it removed. Now I drive starting my car,
> > > an old Corolla, with a screwdriver. It still runs like a dream with
> > > 200K plus miles.
>
> > > Is it legal? Or if pulled over will the cops give me a hard time?
>
> > The ignition lock is a requirement listed in Federal Motor Vehicle Safety
> > Standards (FMVSS) so the lack of a properly working lock means that the
> > vehicle is not in compliance with the applicable FMVSS. If your state has
> > a
> > requirement that the vehicle has to comply with FMVSS, then the lack of a
> > working lock means that it is not legal. If you need a screwdriver to turn
> > the ignition off, then you have a potential safety issue if you need to
> > turn
> > the ignition off quickly for some reason like after an accident, and the
> > screwdriver is not in a handy place.
>
> > Besides the issues with the police if you get pulled over, your vehicle is
> > also very easy to steal. If you have children, there is little to keep the
> > child from starting the motor.
> > --
>
> > Ray O
> > (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> > I would shop for a replacement lock at a junk yard or dealer soon.
>
> So what would the police do if they pulled me over?  Give me a ticket
> or tow the car?
>
> **********
> I'm not qualified to give legal advice, but I would imagine that at the
> least, you would have to prove that you are the owner of the vehicle, and at
> the other end of the spectrum, you might get a fix-it ticket unless the
> office thought that the vehicle was unsafe and have the car towed.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have a registration and driver's license and proof of
insurance...and the car is registered to me, so that wouldn't be a
problem. Oh well.

I'm trying to look up the engine in a 1995 corolla DX, I thought I
heard that it was basically bulletproof and that if maintained it
would last almost forever. Not sure what happens if the head gasket
goes or rear main seal...do those things have a lifespan?
From: kpb on 3 May 2010 16:33
On May 3, 4:13 pm, kpb <bri160...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 3:49 pm, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "kpb" <bri160...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:c2898f0b-7321-4e8f-927e-3c1854e02ab7(a)r11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com....
> > On May 3, 12:56 am, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > "kpb" <bri160...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:e1732e15-aae0-4771-9fa6-2578c83c5ed4(a)x5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > > My ignition seized and I had it removed. Now I drive starting my car,
> > > > an old Corolla, with a screwdriver. It still runs like a dream with
> > > > 200K plus miles.
>
> > > > Is it legal? Or if pulled over will the cops give me a hard time?
>
> > > The ignition lock is a requirement listed in Federal Motor Vehicle Safety
> > > Standards (FMVSS) so the lack of a properly working lock means that the
> > > vehicle is not in compliance with the applicable FMVSS. If your state has
> > > a
> > > requirement that the vehicle has to comply with FMVSS, then the lack of a
> > > working lock means that it is not legal. If you need a screwdriver to turn
> > > the ignition off, then you have a potential safety issue if you need to
> > > turn
> > > the ignition off quickly for some reason like after an accident, and the
> > > screwdriver is not in a handy place.
>
> > > Besides the issues with the police if you get pulled over, your vehicle is
> > > also very easy to steal. If you have children, there is little to keep the
> > > child from starting the motor.
> > > --
>
> > > Ray O
> > > (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> > > I would shop for a replacement lock at a junk yard or dealer soon.
>
> > So what would the police do if they pulled me over?  Give me a ticket
> > or tow the car?
>
> > **********
> > I'm not qualified to give legal advice, but I would imagine that at the
> > least, you would have to prove that you are the owner of the vehicle, and at
> > the other end of the spectrum, you might get a fix-it ticket unless the
> > office thought that the vehicle was unsafe and have the car towed.
> > --
>
> > Ray O
> > (correct punctuation to reply)- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I have a registration and driver's license and proof of
> insurance...and the car is registered to me, so that wouldn't be a
> problem.  Oh well.
>
> I'm trying to look up the engine in a 1995 corolla DX, I thought I
> heard that it was basically bulletproof and that if maintained it
> would last almost forever.  Not sure what happens if the head gasket
> goes or rear main seal...do those things have a lifespan?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

thanks for replies. It's the 7a-fe engine I have. 1.8L.

From: supraman_88 on 4 May 2010 18:30
On Mon, 03 May 2010 13:13:34 -0700, kpb wrote:

> On May 3, 3:49 pm, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote:
>> "kpb" <bri160...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:c2898f0b-7321-4e8f-927e-3c1854e02ab7(a)r11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 3, 12:56 am, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "kpb" <bri160...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:e1732e15-aae0-4771-9fa6-2578c83c5ed4(a)x5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > My ignition seized and I had it removed. Now I drive starting my
>> > > car, an old Corolla, with a screwdriver. It still runs like a dream
>> > > with 200K plus miles.
>>
>> > > Is it legal? Or if pulled over will the cops give me a hard time?
>>
>> > The ignition lock is a requirement listed in Federal Motor Vehicle
>> > Safety Standards (FMVSS) so the lack of a properly working lock means
>> > that the vehicle is not in compliance with the applicable FMVSS. If
>> > your state has a
>> > requirement that the vehicle has to comply with FMVSS, then the lack
>> > of a working lock means that it is not legal. If you need a
>> > screwdriver to turn the ignition off, then you have a potential safety
>> > issue if you need to turn
>> > the ignition off quickly for some reason like after an accident, and
>> > the screwdriver is not in a handy place.
>>
>> > Besides the issues with the police if you get pulled over, your
>> > vehicle is also very easy to steal. If you have children, there is
>> > little to keep the child from starting the motor.
>> > --
>>
>> > Ray O
>> > (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
>> > I would shop for a replacement lock at a junk yard or dealer soon.
>>
>> So what would the police do if they pulled me over?  Give me a ticket
>> or tow the car?
>>
>> **********
>> I'm not qualified to give legal advice, but I would imagine that at the
>> least, you would have to prove that you are the owner of the vehicle,
>> and at the other end of the spectrum, you might get a fix-it ticket
>> unless the office thought that the vehicle was unsafe and have the car
>> towed. --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I have a registration and driver's license and proof of insurance...and
> the car is registered to me, so that wouldn't be a problem. Oh well.
>
> I'm trying to look up the engine in a 1995 corolla DX, I thought I heard
> that it was basically bulletproof and that if maintained it would last
> almost forever. Not sure what happens if the head gasket goes or rear
> main seal...do those things have a lifespan?

They generally last about 250k or more, depending upon maintenance.

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