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From: Hachiroku on 30 Apr 2010 17:11
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:27:43 -0700, Jeff Strickland wrote:

> "kpb" <bri1600bv(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e1732e15-aae0-4771-9fa6-2578c83c5ed4(a)x5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>> My ignition seized and I had it removed. Now I drive starting my car,
>> an old Corolla, with a screwdriver. It still runs like a dream with
>> 200K plus miles.
>>
>> Is it legal? Or if pulled over will the cops give me a hard time?
>
>
> Beyond you using the same technique that car thieves use, I see no
> problem with the cops.
>
> The lock on the steering is there to protect you. The keys are there to
> protect you. If you live in a state with a safety inspection, maybe
> things are different than in my universe, but the only issue I see is
> that you look like a car thief to most cops. I suggest you make sure
> your license and registration have exactly the same information on them.
> Get one updated to match the other so you can show, this is me and this
> is my car. We live at the same house.



HEY! I already said that!

Something about "great minds"...

From: Ray O on 3 May 2010 00:56

"kpb" <bri1600bv(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e1732e15-aae0-4771-9fa6-2578c83c5ed4(a)x5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> My ignition seized and I had it removed. Now I drive starting my car,
> an old Corolla, with a screwdriver. It still runs like a dream with
> 200K plus miles.
>
> Is it legal? Or if pulled over will the cops give me a hard time?

The ignition lock is a requirement listed in Federal Motor Vehicle Safety
Standards (FMVSS) so the lack of a properly working lock means that the
vehicle is not in compliance with the applicable FMVSS. If your state has a
requirement that the vehicle has to comply with FMVSS, then the lack of a
working lock means that it is not legal. If you need a screwdriver to turn
the ignition off, then you have a potential safety issue if you need to turn
the ignition off quickly for some reason like after an accident, and the
screwdriver is not in a handy place.

Besides the issues with the police if you get pulled over, your vehicle is
also very easy to steal. If you have children, there is little to keep the
child from starting the motor.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

I would shop for a replacement lock at a junk yard or dealer soon.


From: kpb on 3 May 2010 13:52
On May 3, 12:56 am, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com>
wrote:
> "kpb" <bri160...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e1732e15-aae0-4771-9fa6-2578c83c5ed4(a)x5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > My ignition seized and I had it removed.  Now I drive starting my car,
> > an old Corolla, with a screwdriver.  It still runs like a dream with
> > 200K plus miles.
>
> > Is it legal?  Or if pulled over will the cops give me a hard time?
>
> The ignition lock is a requirement listed in Federal Motor Vehicle Safety
> Standards (FMVSS) so the lack of a properly working lock means that the
> vehicle is not in compliance with the applicable FMVSS.  If your state has a
> requirement that the vehicle has to comply with FMVSS, then the lack of a
> working lock means that it is not legal.  If you need a screwdriver to turn
> the ignition off, then you have a potential safety issue if you need to turn
> the ignition off quickly for some reason like after an accident, and the
> screwdriver is not in a handy place.
>
> Besides the issues with the police if you get pulled over, your vehicle is
> also very easy to steal.  If you have children, there is little to keep the
> child from starting the motor.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> I would shop for a replacement lock at a junk yard or dealer soon.

Thanks for that useful information. I had a feeling it would not be
legal.

I don't have kids...I'm not sure how much a junkyard lock would cost.
Plus the installation.

I'm not sure how much longer the car can go on, it's at that stage.
It hasn't broken down badly and runs very well...doesn't burn much
oil, still gets 35 mpg...but it's 15 years old with 200K miles on it.
From: kpb on 3 May 2010 14:24
On May 3, 12:56 am, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com>
wrote:
> "kpb" <bri160...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e1732e15-aae0-4771-9fa6-2578c83c5ed4(a)x5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > My ignition seized and I had it removed.  Now I drive starting my car,
> > an old Corolla, with a screwdriver.  It still runs like a dream with
> > 200K plus miles.
>
> > Is it legal?  Or if pulled over will the cops give me a hard time?
>
> The ignition lock is a requirement listed in Federal Motor Vehicle Safety
> Standards (FMVSS) so the lack of a properly working lock means that the
> vehicle is not in compliance with the applicable FMVSS.  If your state has a
> requirement that the vehicle has to comply with FMVSS, then the lack of a
> working lock means that it is not legal.  If you need a screwdriver to turn
> the ignition off, then you have a potential safety issue if you need to turn
> the ignition off quickly for some reason like after an accident, and the
> screwdriver is not in a handy place.
>
> Besides the issues with the police if you get pulled over, your vehicle is
> also very easy to steal.  If you have children, there is little to keep the
> child from starting the motor.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
> I would shop for a replacement lock at a junk yard or dealer soon.

So what would the police do if they pulled me over? Give me a ticket
or tow the car?
From: Jeff Strickland on 3 May 2010 14:39

"Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message
news:hrll9d$ffu$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "kpb" <bri1600bv(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e1732e15-aae0-4771-9fa6-2578c83c5ed4(a)x5g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>> My ignition seized and I had it removed. Now I drive starting my car,
>> an old Corolla, with a screwdriver. It still runs like a dream with
>> 200K plus miles.
>>
>> Is it legal? Or if pulled over will the cops give me a hard time?
>
> The ignition lock is a requirement listed in Federal Motor Vehicle Safety
> Standards (FMVSS) so the lack of a properly working lock means that the
> vehicle is not in compliance with the applicable FMVSS. If your state has
> a requirement that the vehicle has to comply with FMVSS, then the lack of
> a working lock means that it is not legal. If you need a screwdriver to
> turn the ignition off, then you have a potential safety issue if you need
> to turn the ignition off quickly for some reason like after an accident,
> and the screwdriver is not in a handy place.
>
> Besides the issues with the police if you get pulled over, your vehicle is
> also very easy to steal. If you have children, there is little to keep
> the child from starting the motor.
> --
>


I have a printed copy of my State's Motor Vehicle Code, and the only
references I can find to any sort of ignition controls are those that have
to do with locking out drivers convicted of DUI. There is no law in my state
that I can find to say that a motor vehicle is required to have a set of
keys.

I'm sure my insurance company wants my cars to have a key because they are
insuring against theft. If the car can't be secured, then theft is likely
and they will surely complain about covering the loss.

I don't know where the OP is posting from, but I'd suggest that his most
overriding issue is that his behavior/practices look to a cop exactly the
same as the behavior.practices of a car thief.

If he visits Arizona with that car, and leaves his driver license at home,
he might be in for some problems.





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