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From: Ray O on 17 Feb 2010 01:42

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:46:49 -0500, Fred wrote:
>
>>
>> Some heavy duty frozen tundra.
>
> And this guy's in Virginia!!! ;)
>

I guess ice solid enough to freeze the tires in place is pretty rare there
;-)
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: Fred on 24 Feb 2010 16:03
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:42:26 -0600, "Ray O"
<rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote:

>
>"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>news:hldar0$scv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:46:49 -0500, Fred wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Some heavy duty frozen tundra.
>>
>> And this guy's in Virginia!!! ;)
>>
>
>I guess ice solid enough to freeze the tires in place is pretty rare there
>;-)

Brother-in-law helped pop it out with a tow rope today.

It runs, tranny ok, no coolant/oil leak so far, brakes work.

Had a shudder at 45 then improved to 50 then 55.

Front tires had wear before getting stuck. Although I didn't
intentionally spin the tires, some wear may have resulted.

Probably need new tires on the front. (Needed before winter anyways.)

Wondering if alignment may have been compromised?

Steering is something I am curious about a bit also.

Got some mild to moderate shudder like I mentioned and just a
tiny tad of a bump on the steering wheel up and down.

Niece said could be mud working out of crannies. Saw one sick
earthworm in hubcap.

Will hose off asap and go from there.

Thanks very much!!


From: Ray O on 24 Feb 2010 16:27

"Fred" <Fred(a)fishy.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:42:26 -0600, "Ray O"
> <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>news:hldar0$scv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:46:49 -0500, Fred wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some heavy duty frozen tundra.
>>>
>>> And this guy's in Virginia!!! ;)
>>>
>>
>>I guess ice solid enough to freeze the tires in place is pretty rare there
>>;-)
>
> Brother-in-law helped pop it out with a tow rope today.
>
> It runs, tranny ok, no coolant/oil leak so far, brakes work.
>
> Had a shudder at 45 then improved to 50 then 55.
>
> Front tires had wear before getting stuck. Although I didn't
> intentionally spin the tires, some wear may have resulted.
>
> Probably need new tires on the front. (Needed before winter anyways.)
>
> Wondering if alignment may have been compromised?
>
> Steering is something I am curious about a bit also.
>
> Got some mild to moderate shudder like I mentioned and just a
> tiny tad of a bump on the steering wheel up and down.
>
> Niece said could be mud working out of crannies. Saw one sick
> earthworm in hubcap.
>
> Will hose off asap and go from there.
>

The shudder could be from dirt, mud, ice, etc. still stuck in the wheel,
putting it out of balance or from the tire rubber still being frozen. It is
possible that pulling it out while the tires were still frozen damaged the
belts, but I doubt it. If the shudder goes away after you hose off the
inside and outside of the wheels, then no permanent harm is likely.

I douvt if the alignment was compromised unless you physically bent or
damaged a suspension part like a tire rod.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
> Thanks very much!!
>
>


From: Fred on 24 Feb 2010 17:21
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:27:20 -0600, "Ray O"
<rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote:

>
>"Fred" <Fred(a)fishy.net> wrote in message
>news:p94bo5lvn6qjpkput6ldv87umok9vk5tod(a)4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:42:26 -0600, "Ray O"
>> <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>news:hldar0$scv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:46:49 -0500, Fred wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Some heavy duty frozen tundra.
>>>>
>>>> And this guy's in Virginia!!! ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>>I guess ice solid enough to freeze the tires in place is pretty rare there
>>>;-)
>>
>> Brother-in-law helped pop it out with a tow rope today.
>>
>> It runs, tranny ok, no coolant/oil leak so far, brakes work.
>>
>> Had a shudder at 45 then improved to 50 then 55.
>>
>> Front tires had wear before getting stuck. Although I didn't
>> intentionally spin the tires, some wear may have resulted.
>>
>> Probably need new tires on the front. (Needed before winter anyways.)
>>
>> Wondering if alignment may have been compromised?
>>
>> Steering is something I am curious about a bit also.
>>
>> Got some mild to moderate shudder like I mentioned and just a
>> tiny tad of a bump on the steering wheel up and down.
>>
>> Niece said could be mud working out of crannies. Saw one sick
>> earthworm in hubcap.
>>
>> Will hose off asap and go from there.
>>
>
>The shudder could be from dirt, mud, ice, etc. still stuck in the wheel,
>putting it out of balance or from the tire rubber still being frozen. It is
>possible that pulling it out while the tires were still frozen damaged the
>belts, but I doubt it. If the shudder goes away after you hose off the
>inside and outside of the wheels, then no permanent harm is likely.
>
>I douvt if the alignment was compromised unless you physically bent or
>damaged a suspension part like a tire rod.

There is/was no ice in the equation today at the point of extraction
from the mud.

Very likely there continues to be mud in the wheels in any place it
would stick.

So, like you say, that is probably causing the lack of uniform
balanced rotation.

I am planning to go ahead and replace the tires friday along with an
alignment.

My focus to achieveing that objective now would be to get as much mud
out of the front end as possible prior to having the alignment and
tire replacement completed.

I would suppose that there could be issues in the process of tire
replacement/balancing and alignment if thing weren't clean enough.

I would suppose too the vendor doing the work could be involved in any
final cleanup prior to these things being done if cleared in advance.

Thanks again, you're a nice guy to talk to!!
From: Ray O on 24 Feb 2010 17:32

"Fred" <Fred(a)fishy.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:27:20 -0600, "Ray O"
> <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Fred" <Fred(a)fishy.net> wrote in message
>>news:p94bo5lvn6qjpkput6ldv87umok9vk5tod(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:42:26 -0600, "Ray O"
>>> <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>>news:hldar0$scv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:46:49 -0500, Fred wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some heavy duty frozen tundra.
>>>>>
>>>>> And this guy's in Virginia!!! ;)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I guess ice solid enough to freeze the tires in place is pretty rare
>>>>there
>>>>;-)
>>>
>>> Brother-in-law helped pop it out with a tow rope today.
>>>
>>> It runs, tranny ok, no coolant/oil leak so far, brakes work.
>>>
>>> Had a shudder at 45 then improved to 50 then 55.
>>>
>>> Front tires had wear before getting stuck. Although I didn't
>>> intentionally spin the tires, some wear may have resulted.
>>>
>>> Probably need new tires on the front. (Needed before winter anyways.)
>>>
>>> Wondering if alignment may have been compromised?
>>>
>>> Steering is something I am curious about a bit also.
>>>
>>> Got some mild to moderate shudder like I mentioned and just a
>>> tiny tad of a bump on the steering wheel up and down.
>>>
>>> Niece said could be mud working out of crannies. Saw one sick
>>> earthworm in hubcap.
>>>
>>> Will hose off asap and go from there.
>>>
>>
>>The shudder could be from dirt, mud, ice, etc. still stuck in the wheel,
>>putting it out of balance or from the tire rubber still being frozen. It
>>is
>>possible that pulling it out while the tires were still frozen damaged the
>>belts, but I doubt it. If the shudder goes away after you hose off the
>>inside and outside of the wheels, then no permanent harm is likely.
>>
>>I douvt if the alignment was compromised unless you physically bent or
>>damaged a suspension part like a tire rod.
>
> There is/was no ice in the equation today at the point of extraction
> from the mud.
>
> Very likely there continues to be mud in the wheels in any place it
> would stick.
>
> So, like you say, that is probably causing the lack of uniform
> balanced rotation.
>
> I am planning to go ahead and replace the tires friday along with an
> alignment.
>
> My focus to achieveing that objective now would be to get as much mud
> out of the front end as possible prior to having the alignment and
> tire replacement completed.
>
> I would suppose that there could be issues in the process of tire
> replacement/balancing and alignment if thing weren't clean enough.
>
> I would suppose too the vendor doing the work could be involved in any
> final cleanup prior to these things being done if cleared in advance.
>
> Thanks again, you're a nice guy to talk to!!

You're welcome! I benefitted from customer relations training by a previous
employer ;-)

I recommend that you take the car to a car wash and opt for whichever
package includes an undercarriage wash.

If the car still has a vibration, have the wheel balance checked. It is
also possible that a wheel weight got pulled off.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


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