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From: News on 8 Mar 2010 17:07 Grumpy AuContraire wrote: > clare(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: >> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:05:07 -0500, News <News(a)Groups.Name> wrote: >> >>> clare(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: >>>> On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:10:20 -0800, "theref" <theref(a)seanet.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Grumpy AuContraire" <GrumpyOne(a)GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in >>>>> message news:99adnZJAetdSdQ7WnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>> bjn wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:38:19 -0500, Bill Putney <bptn(a)kinez.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> jim beam wrote: >>>>>>>>> if you buy all this fear-mongering idiocy that electronic >>>>>>>>> throttle is a problem, and that brakes, transmissions and >>>>>>>>> ignition kill switches can all simultaneously fail causing a >>>>>>>>> driver to lose control, it might be worth auto manufacturers of >>>>>>>>> all stripes to adopt a slightly different implementation of >>>>>>>>> electronic throttle [e.t.] - if not for mechanical reasons, but >>>>>>>>> to shut the idiots up... >>>>>>>> The lawyers, politicians, and news media can convince the public >>>>>>>> of the impossible (failure even a totally fail safe system) any >>>>>>>> time they decide to do it depending on political or monetary >>>>>>>> motivation. IOW - the people and companies who do a good job of >>>>>>>> designing are going to get punished anyway (unless they know how >>>>>>>> to play the game in a corrupt system). There are people in our >>>>>>>> society whose life goal is to make sure that that happens. >>>>>>> The problem is that now lawyers, politicians and news media are >>>>>>> driving (no >>>>>>> pun intended) solution. The way I see them talking, cars will >>>>>>> wind up with >>>>>>> a fail-safe throttle that is more fail-safe than the controls of >>>>>>> a jumbo >>>>>>> passenger jet. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure about this but for sure... The causes you cite >>>>>> certainly contributed in getting to where we're at! >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, don't forget that little incident when a B-777's engines went >>>>>> to idle about a minute before touch down at Heathrow about a year >>>>>> ago. Aircraft was totaled but there were no major injuries. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cause has been assessed to software/computer glitch. >>>>>> >>>>>> JT >>>>> I believe that was traced to icing in the fuel system. SOP now is >>>>> to cycle fuel after prolonged low temp at altitude. >>>> Icing on a JET????????? >>>> Don't think so. >>> >>> Absolutely. Determined to be cause of BA 777 landing short at Heathrow. >> >> OK - I looked it up. Technically this was fuel jelling - common with >> diesel fuel in arctic conditions. In the case of the Rolls turbines, >> it was a design fault in the fuel pre-heater unit which resulted in a >> mandatory replacement with a redesigned heat exchanger. >> >> Different than the carb icing on a prop plane. > > > Good point. > > I like to read the whole technical report as opposed to what was > published in a paper. Have at it: http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/formal_reports/1_2010_g_ymmm.cfm Advise when able.
From: Bill Putney on 8 Mar 2010 17:55 David Skelton wrote: > All three had the "air bypass" valve too. > > I do not know what you mean with "ISC system". > > BTW, I have known some discreet electronic components that have failed due > to being used too near the maximun demand for too long, would you not > consider that to be 'wearing out' ?? Hah! Yeah - like LED assembly replacements for incandescents that you buy off of ebay that use LED's designed for maximum current of X, and in the assembly they each dissipate 1.3X so they can advertise brightness and compete on an even footing with their competition that is doing the same thing. So what if the LED's fail in 6 months - they have your money and you already gave them rave reviews. -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')
From: Bill Putney on 8 Mar 2010 18:00 Jeff Strickland wrote: > "Bill Putney" <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote in message > news:7vk4s9F68jU1(a)mid.individual.net... >> jim beam wrote: >> >>> ...toyota are proponents of this and constant improvement. cant' >>> remember what they call it right now, but we invented it, showed them how >>> to do it after ww2, and now they're using it to be better at making cars >>> than we are. >> Probably the phrase you're looking for there is "continuous improvement". >> >>> ...in with allegations galore, while carefully phrasing their language >>> so... >> Allegations Galore - wasn't she a character in one of the early 007 >> movies? >> > > > He was our VP for a while, now he sells Global Warming. Yeah - I get the two confused all the time. :) -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')
From: Bill Putney on 8 Mar 2010 18:12 Kevin wrote: > jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in > news:0fOdnb68aZXBBgnWnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net: >> you're just projecting your atypical opinion onto others dude. people >> don't pump brakes. that's why we have abs. > everyone in drivers ed was taught to pump the brakes untill very > reciently, so your a idiot on this among many other of your nutty ideas. > KB I think you're right - which is why I'm thru participating in this mud wrestling contest. Looks like I'd have realized it after being talked around in the same exact circle for the 4th time. I'm a slow learner. Like when George Bush paraphrased the Who: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')
From: dizzy on 8 Mar 2010 19:01
jim beam wrote: >> My experiences were on things like an '86 >> Subaru Turbo wagon, an '88 Cadillac DeVille, '99 Buick Century, and 2 >> 2nd generation Chrysler Concordes - all in tip-top mechanical shape. > >ugh. can't you drive decent cars for pete's sake? Hehe. |