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From: Bill Putney on 8 Mar 2010 06:27 jim beam wrote: > /if/ the driver has pressed and released the pedal a couple of times. > why they would do that though is something i don't follow. You know, Jim - it boils down to this - you think you can predict how a human being is going to react when faced with a sudden emergency when they have never given a nano-seconds thought in the past or been trained to deal with that particular said emergency. That's ludicrous. The person will be experimenting using a brain that is in panic mode and doesn't understand or can't think fast enough to properly analyze the the ramifications of the tools (shifter, etc.) available to them at the moment to save their own life. Hands with bullet holes in them when being shot - yeah - makes a lot of sense - but that's the same kind of "irrational" reaction you get when the brain is overloaded and startled. -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')
From: News on 8 Mar 2010 09:10 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ice-probable-cause-of-boeing-777-crash-1893650.html DAS wrote: > "I looked it up". > > Could one or both of you provide a URL for us to follow? > > Gelling -- not "jelling"... :-) -- or ice formation... would like to read > up, as I was under the impression from the brief reports I heard on the > general news that it was diesel gelling, but that might just have been my > dodgy memory... > > DAS > > To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling' > -- > "News" <News(a)Groups.Name> wrote in message > news:pKSdnRReuqPLGQnWnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... >> clare(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: >>> On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:05:07 -0500, News <News(a)Groups.Name> wrote: >>> >>>> clare(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:10:20 -0800, "theref" <theref(a)seanet.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Grumpy AuContraire" <GrumpyOne(a)GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:99adnZJAetdSdQ7WnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>>>> bjn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:38:19 -0500, Bill Putney <bptn(a)kinez.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> jim beam wrote: >>>>>>>>>> if you buy all this fear-mongering idiocy that electronic throttle >>>>>>>>>> is a problem, and that brakes, transmissions and ignition kill >>>>>>>>>> switches can all simultaneously fail causing a driver to lose >>>>>>>>>> control, it might be worth auto manufacturers of all stripes to >>>>>>>>>> adopt a slightly different implementation of electronic throttle >>>>>>>>>> [e.t.] - if not for mechanical reasons, but to shut the idiots >>>>>>>>>> up... >>>>>>>>> The lawyers, politicians, and news media can convince the public of >>>>>>>>> the impossible (failure even a totally fail safe system) any time >>>>>>>>> they decide to do it depending on political or monetary motivation. >>>>>>>>> IOW - the people and companies who do a good job of designing are >>>>>>>>> going to get punished anyway (unless they know how to play the game >>>>>>>>> in a corrupt system). There are people in our society whose life >>>>>>>>> goal is to make sure that that happens. >>>>>>>> The problem is that now lawyers, politicians and news media are >>>>>>>> driving (no >>>>>>>> pun intended) solution. The way I see them talking, cars will wind >>>>>>>> up with >>>>>>>> a fail-safe throttle that is more fail-safe than the controls of a >>>>>>>> jumbo >>>>>>>> passenger jet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure about this but for sure... The causes you cite >>>>>>> certainly contributed in getting to where we're at! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, don't forget that little incident when a B-777's engines went to >>>>>>> idle about a minute before touch down at Heathrow about a year ago. >>>>>>> Aircraft was totaled but there were no major injuries. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cause has been assessed to software/computer glitch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JT >>>>>> I believe that was traced to icing in the fuel system. SOP now is to >>>>>> cycle fuel after prolonged low temp at altitude. >>>>> Icing on a JET????????? >>>>> Don't think so. >>>> Absolutely. Determined to be cause of BA 777 landing short at Heathrow. >>> OK - I looked it up. Technically this was fuel jelling - common with >>> diesel fuel in arctic conditions. In the case of the Rolls turbines, >>> it was a design fault in the fuel pre-heater unit which resulted in a >>> mandatory replacement with a redesigned heat exchanger. >>> >>> Different than the carb icing on a prop plane. >> It was ice in the fuel blocking the pre-heater, not fuel jelling. Get it >> straight. > >
From: Jeff Strickland on 8 Mar 2010 12:43 "Bill Putney" <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote in message news:7vk4s9F68jU1(a)mid.individual.net... > jim beam wrote: > >> ...toyota are proponents of this and constant improvement. cant' >> remember what they call it right now, but we invented it, showed them how >> to do it after ww2, and now they're using it to be better at making cars >> than we are. > > Probably the phrase you're looking for there is "continuous improvement". > >> ...in with allegations galore, while carefully phrasing their language >> so... > > Allegations Galore - wasn't she a character in one of the early 007 > movies? > He was our VP for a while, now he sells Global Warming.
From: C. E. White on 8 Mar 2010 12:56 "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hn3ctt$7bo$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Actually, there are not billions and billions of miles. Fly By Wire > is new for Toyota, and has only been implemented for a few years. According to http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/canadian-suit-alleges-toyota-electronic-throttle-control-defect/ Toyota first installed elctronically controlled throttles in the 2001 (for the 2002 Camry??). That is about as long as any major company in the US. Ed
From: Cameo on 8 Mar 2010 14:47
"News" <News(a)Group.Name> wrote in message news:3IWdnROqW4bMmAjWnZ2dnUVZ_oo2AAAA(a)speakeasy.net... > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ice-probable-cause-of-boeing-777-crash-1893650.html Wasn't the same cause suspected in the recent Airbus plane crash in the Atlantic, just off the South American coast? |