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From: News on 8 Mar 2010 14:59 Cameo wrote: > "News" <News(a)Group.Name> wrote in message > news:3IWdnROqW4bMmAjWnZ2dnUVZ_oo2AAAA(a)speakeasy.net... >> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ice-probable-cause-of-boeing-777-crash-1893650.html >> > > Wasn't the same cause suspected in the recent Airbus plane crash in the > Atlantic, just off the South American coast? No.
From: DAS on 8 Mar 2010 15:04 News, thx for link. According to this the dodginess of my memory is certainly confirmed. Let's see what clare(a)snyder says. In my interpretation gelling would imply the precipitation of wax. DAS To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling' -- "Cameo" <cameo(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:hn3k8k$619$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > "News" <News(a)Group.Name> wrote in message > news:3IWdnROqW4bMmAjWnZ2dnUVZ_oo2AAAA(a)speakeasy.net... >> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ice-probable-cause-of-boeing-777-crash-1893650.html > > Wasn't the same cause suspected in the recent Airbus plane crash in the > Atlantic, just off the South American coast?
From: Kevin on 8 Mar 2010 15:42 jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in news:0fOdnb68aZXBBgnWnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net: > On 03/07/2010 02:18 PM, Bill Putney wrote: >> jim beam wrote: >> >>> 2. why would you pump the pedal repeatedly when you're trying to stop >>> the vehicle? >> >> That used to be taught as the proper way to brake in certain situations. >> Indeed - if it was not a common conception in may people's minds driving >> today, the word in the context of brakes wouldn't be as well known - by >> that I mean, if you used the term "pumping your brakes", people don't >> say to you "What does that mean?" Everyone knows the term because it is >> ingrained by having been taught as a proper technique (again, in certain >> situations). Perhaps it is considered by some to be obsolete, maybe >> because of ABS - but there are cars built today without ABS. >> >> ALSO - imagine a person who is suddenly faced with runaway acceleration >> - I can imagine it being a natural instinct to push the brakes and be >> surprised that they aren't working to well against the power of the >> engine, and to take another stab at it (literally) - not realizing that >> they just used up whatever hope they may have had in the brakes >> overcoming the power of the engine in having done so. >> >> Think of it as being similar to why police often finding shooting >> victims with a bullet hole in their hands - why? Because it is the >> natural instinct for a person to hold their hands up in front of their >> face if someone points a gun at their face. Does it make any sense to a >> rational person to think that that would help the situation? No. But the >> mind does "stupid" things in panic situations. Things that Data or Mr. >> Spock wouldn't understand, but that make sense from a human standpoint. >> > > you're just projecting your atypical opinion onto others dude. people > don't pump brakes. that's why we have abs. > everyone in drivers ed was taught to pump the brakes untill very reciently, so your a idiot on this among many other of your nutty ideas. KB -- THUNDERSNAKE #9 Protect your rights or "Lose" them The 2nd Admendment guarantees the others --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
From: Grumpy AuContraire on 8 Mar 2010 16:12 clare(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: > On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:05:07 -0500, News <News(a)Groups.Name> wrote: > >> clare(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: >>> On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:10:20 -0800, "theref" <theref(a)seanet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> "Grumpy AuContraire" <GrumpyOne(a)GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message >>>> news:99adnZJAetdSdQ7WnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>> bjn wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:38:19 -0500, Bill Putney <bptn(a)kinez.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> jim beam wrote: >>>>>>>> if you buy all this fear-mongering idiocy that electronic throttle is a >>>>>>>> problem, and that brakes, transmissions and ignition kill switches can >>>>>>>> all simultaneously fail causing a driver to lose control, it might be >>>>>>>> worth auto manufacturers of all stripes to adopt a slightly different >>>>>>>> implementation of electronic throttle [e.t.] - if not for mechanical >>>>>>>> reasons, but to shut the idiots up... >>>>>>> The lawyers, politicians, and news media can convince the public of the >>>>>>> impossible (failure even a totally fail safe system) any time they >>>>>>> decide to do it depending on political or monetary motivation. IOW - >>>>>>> the people and companies who do a good job of designing are going to get >>>>>>> punished anyway (unless they know how to play the game in a corrupt >>>>>>> system). There are people in our society whose life goal is to make >>>>>>> sure that that happens. >>>>>> The problem is that now lawyers, politicians and news media are driving >>>>>> (no >>>>>> pun intended) solution. The way I see them talking, cars will wind up >>>>>> with >>>>>> a fail-safe throttle that is more fail-safe than the controls of a jumbo >>>>>> passenger jet. >>>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure about this but for sure... The causes you cite certainly >>>>> contributed in getting to where we're at! >>>>> >>>>> Oh, don't forget that little incident when a B-777's engines went to idle >>>>> about a minute before touch down at Heathrow about a year ago. Aircraft >>>>> was totaled but there were no major injuries. >>>>> >>>>> Cause has been assessed to software/computer glitch. >>>>> >>>>> JT >>>> I believe that was traced to icing in the fuel system. SOP now is to cycle >>>> fuel after prolonged low temp at altitude. >>> Icing on a JET????????? >>> Don't think so. >> >> Absolutely. Determined to be cause of BA 777 landing short at Heathrow. > > OK - I looked it up. Technically this was fuel jelling - common with > diesel fuel in arctic conditions. In the case of the Rolls turbines, > it was a design fault in the fuel pre-heater unit which resulted in a > mandatory replacement with a redesigned heat exchanger. > > Different than the carb icing on a prop plane. Good point. I like to read the whole technical report as opposed to what was published in a paper. JT (Who remembers years ago a VW beetle icing up - A little "dry" gas took care of the problem quickly)
From: News on 8 Mar 2010 17:06
DAS wrote: Link to the full AAIIB report: http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/formal_reports/1_2010_g_ymmm.cfm > News, thx for link. According to this the dodginess of my memory is > certainly confirmed. > > Let's see what clare(a)snyder says. In my interpretation gelling would imply > the precipitation of wax. > > DAS > > To reply directly replace 'nospam' with 'schmetterling' > -- > "Cameo" <cameo(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:hn3k8k$619$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> "News" <News(a)Group.Name> wrote in message >> news:3IWdnROqW4bMmAjWnZ2dnUVZ_oo2AAAA(a)speakeasy.net... >>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ice-probable-cause-of-boeing-777-crash-1893650.html >> Wasn't the same cause suspected in the recent Airbus plane crash in the >> Atlantic, just off the South American coast? No, that was suspected pitot probe icing, but no conclusive report has been issued and the search for the bulk of the wreckage continues. |