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From: Jeff Strickland on 25 Feb 2010 12:56

"Clive" <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Ju$oLfCtUnhLFwsq(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk...
> In message <hm50qv$msp$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Jeff Strickland
> <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> writes
>>This is a complicated issue to be sure, and I'm not here to second guess
>>anybody, but there is a very real possibility that the problem is very
>>simple, so simple that nobody sees it. I would never have believed that
>>grounding the Control Panel circuit board at both ends could be a problem,
>>two grounds has got to be better than one.
> Well, I don't know if Physics and electronics are different in the rest of
> the world than the UK, but here two grounding points are a straight no-no.
> Whilst the voltage can be virtually zero across two earth points the
> current can be in the hundreds or thousands of amps leading to instability
> in all kinds of equipment. This is taught very early on in electronics
> education.
> --
> Clive
>

I would assume that (the teaching) to be the case, but I had Japanese-made
equipment with different grounds. There was a very real problem that arose
from it (them).







From: in2dadark on 25 Feb 2010 14:13
On Feb 24, 7:45 pm, Clive <cl...(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message
> <8df0a424-4282-48af-926a-1905ebd4f...(a)v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> in2dadark <in2dad...(a)yahoo.com> writes> I think toyota already knows this and should turn it around and
> >market it as a deterent to keep people off of their cells while
> >driving. Pass a law making it illegal to drive while on the phone and
> >put this system in every car. Use your cell phone and DIE...
>
> In the UK using a cell phone carries three points on your licence (12 is
> an automatic ban) 60UKP fixed penalty notice, doubled if you refuse and
> go to court and another 15UKP for some kind of reform program.   Then
> there are the costs if you go to court, anywhere between 50 and 200UKP.
> --
> Clive


Europeans are smarter than U.S.
From: in2dadark on 25 Feb 2010 14:18
On Feb 24, 8:05 pm, "charlesgrozny" <n5...(a)sprynet.com> wrote:
> "Clive" <cl...(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:PwfJMXVvgchLFwca(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk...
>
> > In message
> > <8df0a424-4282-48af-926a-1905ebd4f...(a)v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> > in2dadark <in2dad...(a)yahoo.com> writes
> >> I think toyota already knows this and should turn it around and
> >>market it as a deterent to keep people off of their cells while
> >>driving. Pass a law making it illegal to drive while on the phone and
> >>put this system in every car. Use your cell phone and DIE...
> > In the UK using a cell phone carries three points on your licence (12 is
> > an automatic ban) 60UKP fixed penalty notice, doubled if you refuse and go
> > to court and another 15UKP for some kind of reform program.   Then there
> > are the costs if you go to court, anywhere between 50 and 200UKP.
> > --
> > Clive
>
> I've been using a two way radio and cellphones in my car for 25 years now..
> What's the problem?  Nanny state not restrictive enough for you kids?
>
> Charles Grozny

You're an idiot.

You can't use a cell phone on a plane for the reason I stated.
Electromagnetic interference is one theory that toyota is looking at
seriously. They don't want to admit it's the electronics because it
will be a LOT more costly to fix. Morons shouldn't be on their phones
while driving anyway. And hot women shouldn't be on their phones while
shopping because I can't flirt with them if they are.

My cars out of control, sorry hon, I have to hang up and call 911.
From: Clive on 25 Feb 2010 19:37
In message <hm6duc$hrl$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Jeff Strickland
<crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> writes
>I just can't shake my opinion that there is an electronic/programming
>gremlin lurking within these cars.
I don't have an opinion either way, so I'll wait until someone does find
a fault somewhere. Have you noticed three other Japanese manufacturers
had today decided to recall vehicles, I wonder how many of these were
brought about by watching the grilling of Toyoda on the hill yesterday.
--
Clive

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 25 Feb 2010 19:57
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:59:33 -0500, C. E. White wrote:

>> I
>> thought was surprising but I have been out of the loop for some time.
>> Don't they all have that little black-box type device to divulge
>> details after a crash to help determine the possible cause, etc.
>
> What that woman claimed is impossible. She is either a liar or delusional.

Or totally clueless...



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