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From: Clive on 25 Feb 2010 08:06 In message <SPOdnYP217BeURjWnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, charlesgrozny <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> writes >I've been using a two way radio and cellphones in my car for 25 years now. >What's the problem? Nanny state not restrictive enough for you kids? If I'm a kid, and I've been retired for some time then what are you? Ancient? -- Clive
From: jim beam on 25 Feb 2010 08:57 On 02/25/2010 05:03 AM, Clive wrote: > In message <hm50qv$msp$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Jeff Strickland > <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> writes >> This is a complicated issue to be sure, and I'm not here to second guess >> anybody, but there is a very real possibility that the problem is very >> simple, so simple that nobody sees it. I would never have believed that >> grounding the Control Panel circuit board at both ends could be a >> problem, >> two grounds has got to be better than one. > Well, I don't know if Physics and electronics are different in the rest > of the world than the UK, but here two grounding points are a straight > no-no. > Whilst the voltage can be virtually zero across two earth points the > current can be in the hundreds or thousands of amps leading to > instability in all kinds of equipment. This is taught very early on in > electronics education. indeed. he has a great point though - if toyota's engineers were that dumb. but having dissected some of their work, i see no evidence of anything other than a rigorous and highly conservative execution of best practices. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Mike Hunter on 25 Feb 2010 10:37 What? "Clive" <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:curtLCD9WnhLFwud(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... > In message <SPOdnYP217BeURjWnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, charlesgrozny > <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> writes >>I've been using a two way radio and cellphones in my car for 25 years now. >>What's the problem? Nanny state not restrictive enough for you kids? > If I'm a kid, and I've been retarded for some time then what are you? > Ancient? > -- > Clive >
From: C. E. White on 25 Feb 2010 10:59 "fiftyfourand seventymore" <fifty4and70more(a)msn.com> wrote in message news:8943-4B846DE6-3375(a)baytvnwsxa002.msntv.msn.com... > On tonight's newscast there was footage of testimony by an older > woman > whose Lexus experienced the runaway car thing. > She testified that the car suddenly kicked down into passing gear > and > took off, and to try and stop it she stood on the brake pedal with > both > feet, moved the gear selector to all gears including reverse -- and > the > car continued to go like that for something like 6 miles. > How is that even possible? In the first place, the (presumably) 4 > wheel disc brakes should be able to stop the car... Could it be that > at > WOT and under load like that, there would suddenly be insufficient > vacuum to run the power assist brakes or something? > And how could a car keep screaming down the freeway even with the > gear > selector in reverse? That is bizarre. > The newscast mentioned that the throttle control is wireless, which > I > thought was surprising but I have been out of the loop for some > time. > Don't they all have that little black-box type device to divulge > details after a crash to help determine the possible cause, etc. What that woman claimed is impossible. She is either a liar or delusional. The congress people who allowed her to testify are the ones who should be ashamed. She may believe her story, but any rational person who understands even a little engineering knows that the events as related by her cannot be true. Ed
From: charlesgrozny on 25 Feb 2010 12:05
"Clive" <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:curtLCD9WnhLFwud(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk... > In message <SPOdnYP217BeURjWnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, charlesgrozny > <n5hsr(a)sprynet.com> writes >>I've been using a two way radio and cellphones in my car for 25 years now. >>What's the problem? Nanny state not restrictive enough for you kids? > If I'm a kid, and I've been retired for some time then what are you? > Ancient? > -- > Clive > I officially fart dust at age 52. Charles Grozny |