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From: Ashton Crusher on 9 Feb 2010 23:35 On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:40:41 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:21:37 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > >> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:59:05 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> >>>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:49:52 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:26:18 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:36:56 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:00:00 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:55:59 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you did, than I could not drift away, even if you did not >>>>>>>> properly engage the shifter into the PARK position, as was the >>>>>>>> actual cause. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>YABUT! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>How could you even forget about the Ford recall for transmissions? >>>>>>>They talked it to death almost as much as the currect Toyota recall. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>However, 'talked to death' is not a good phrase to use. Hundreds were >>>>>>>killed and thousands injured thanks to Ford NOT fixing the >>>>>>>transmissions, but issuing a sticker for the dash instead. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You want to make such a big deal about the Toyota recall. So far, I >>>>>>>don't think anyone has died yet from the sticking pedal, and Toyota >>>>>>>is fixing the problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2500 accidents, 12 deaths, or something like that. >>>>> >>>>>Kinda pales compared with over 300 deaths and thousands of injuries for >>>>>a transmission Ford didn't want to (and DIDN'T) fix... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Do you think that makes the 12 dead people feel any better? >>> >>>Not at all. But Toyota is fixing the problem. Wonder if they could have >>>gotten away with printing 2.3 million stickers... >>> >>> >>> >> There's a big difference between cars that can't be controlled while you >> are driving them and cars that pop out of park. The Ford transmission >> problem was no more dangerous then all the cars that were produced for >> YEARS with automatic transmissions that didn't even have a PARK position >> but required you to put the emergency brake on. > > >Except that with the PARK position people stopped using the EB and over >300 were killed... > Which is why sending them a sticker was an appropriate "fix".
From: Clive on 10 Feb 2010 06:15 In message <1sd4n55ntj6gtc1ehhg79htqohi0gtdob2(a)4ax.com>, Ashton Crusher <demi(a)moore.net> writes >On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:40:41 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >wrote: > >>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:21:37 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:59:05 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:49:52 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:26:18 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:36:56 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:00:00 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:55:59 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you did, than I could not drift away, even if you did not >>>>>>>>> properly engage the shifter into the PARK position, as was the >>>>>>>>> actual cause. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>YABUT! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>How could you even forget about the Ford recall for transmissions? >>>>>>>>They talked it to death almost as much as the currect Toyota recall. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>However, 'talked to death' is not a good phrase to use. Hundreds were >>>>>>>>killed and thousands injured thanks to Ford NOT fixing the >>>>>>>>transmissions, but issuing a sticker for the dash instead. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>You want to make such a big deal about the Toyota recall. So far, I >>>>>>>>don't think anyone has died yet from the sticking pedal, and Toyota >>>>>>>>is fixing the problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2500 accidents, 12 deaths, or something like that. >>>>>> >>>>>>Kinda pales compared with over 300 deaths and thousands of injuries for >>>>>>a transmission Ford didn't want to (and DIDN'T) fix... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Do you think that makes the 12 dead people feel any better? >>>> >>>>Not at all. But Toyota is fixing the problem. Wonder if they could have >>>>gotten away with printing 2.3 million stickers... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> There's a big difference between cars that can't be controlled while you >>> are driving them and cars that pop out of park. The Ford transmission >>> problem was no more dangerous then all the cars that were produced for >>> YEARS with automatic transmissions that didn't even have a PARK position >>> but required you to put the emergency brake on. >> >> >>Except that with the PARK position people stopped using the EB and over >>300 were killed... >> > > >Which is why sending them a sticker was an appropriate "fix". It's not a fix, it's a warning that the vehicle could (and frequently was) dangerous. A fix is to correct the fault so that the danger no longer exists. -- Clive
From: bwala kulusu on 10 Feb 2010 18:39 Well, it was one of the cable news stations again today: a tape of someone calling into 911 saying they couldn't stop their car and were about to approach an intersection. So basically they have time to call 911 and complain to an operator but aren't smart enough to shut their damn car off or put it in neutral, and the media aren't telling people to do this.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 10 Feb 2010 18:49 On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:39:30 -0800, bwala kulusu wrote: > Well, it was one of the cable news stations again today: a tape of > someone calling into 911 saying they couldn't stop their car and were > about to approach an intersection. > > So basically they have time to call 911 and complain to an operator but > aren't smart enough to shut their damn car off or put it in neutral, and > the media aren't telling people to do this. They kind of are, they just aren't spoonfeeding it to the Sheeple. "MY CAR"S OUT OF CONTROL!!!!" Anser should have been, "Put it in neutral, dumbass..."
From: Clive on 10 Feb 2010 20:13
In message <hkvgn2$fqr$5(a)news.eternal-september.org>, =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >They kind of are, they just aren't spoonfeeding it to the Sheeple. > >"MY CAR"S OUT OF CONTROL!!!!" > >Anser should have been, "Put it in neutral, dumbass..." Common sense doesn't sell papers, only made up storys to titilate or sensationalise. -- Clive |