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From: Mike Hunter on 27 Jan 2010 21:20 Nothing, if that is what one has to do, but my question was WHY buy used when one can afford to buy new? When one buys a used vehicle one can never know for sure how that vehicles was used or abused, or if it was properly maintained or not. When does one generally have the most problems with ANY vehicle, during the first 50,000 or the last? When one buys used THEY are loosing the beginning mileage, the mileage that is most likely covered by a warranty. What has one gained, IF one can afford to buy new rather than used? "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:nIadnSIarKuQd_3WnZ2dnUVZ_ouinZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> No, not if that's all one can afford, but why would anyone want something >> that the previous owner(s) no longer wanted, if one could afford a new >> vehicle? > > Why did the previous owner not want something anymore? Couldn't make the > payments on the BMW? Too much gas for the big SUV? Needed a bigger car > than the Ford Focus? > > There are different reasons why someone would want to get rid of a car > besides quality issues. That's why people often lease a vehicle rather > than buy them, too. > > And, often, people realize that by buying a car that is 2 or 3 years old, > one can get a nearly new car for far less than a brand new car. In the > long run, it is often far more economical. > >> Do you buy used clothing, appliances and furniture as well? > > What would be wrong with doing that? > > Jeff > >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:SsudnSeZT6BmQP3WnZ2dnUVZ_qdi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> You are correct, I keep forgetting most of the buyers in this NG are >>>> used car buyers. >>> Something wrong with buying used cars? >>> >>> >>>> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >>>> news:YMGdnZd_19GgWP3WnZ2dnUVZ_hZi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>>>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>>>> Old news, one can no longer buys those old cars, You can however >>>>>> still buy one of the many runaway Toyotas models. >>>>> only used >>>>> >>>>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>>>> news:pan.2010.01.27.00.37.45.547150(a)e86.GTS... >>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:03 -0800, jr92 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What they are doing now is is simply a PR move. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many are considering it to be a desperation tactic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Time will tell if their PR move pays off. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Myself, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them >>>>>>>> into the >>>>>>>> likes of a Toyota. >>>>>>> Really? What DO you put them into? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My last Toyota was recalled for... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the antenna not mounted to the body correctly, which may cause >>>>>>> static on >>>>>>> the radio. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With Ford sticking stickers on the dash saying, This car may go into >>>>>>> reverse at any time... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chevy making rolling blunders >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll stick to Toytota. They aren't perfect, but about as close as >>>>>>> you can >>>>>>> get at a good price. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>
From: Mike Hunter on 27 Jan 2010 21:25 Of course GM and Ford must buy some of their parts off shore, dummy. They must do so to compete with imports that have the cost advantage of getting most of their materials off shore, or make most of their vehicles off shore, where labor is cheaper and their are fewer environmental regulation that add to the cost of production in the US. "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:nIadnV0arKvnd_3WnZ2dnUVZ_oti4p2d(a)giganews.com... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> You can continue to believe that if you wish, but the US Commerce >> Department says most of what Toyota sells is in the US is imported and >> those vehicles and the parts they do ASSEMBLE in the US are assembled of >> imported MATERIALS. Even Toyota says "assembled in the US, of world >> sourced parts and materials." > > The Commerce Department doesn't say anything about it. The NHTSA tracks > that stuff. > > So please either show us the URL of the site that has this info or stop > making a fool of yourself. > > And do you think that GM and Ford only use parts from the US? If you do, > you are as stupid as you sound. > > Jeff > >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:SsudnSaZT6C2Q_3WnZ2dnUVZ_qdi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> Is that different than Toyota importing most of the materials, as well >>>> as most of the models it sells in the US? >>> Yet it builds most of the cars it sells in North America. And most of >>> the parts in the those cars come from the US, too. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>>> "Sir F. A. Rien" <jaSPAMc(a)gbr.online.com> wrote in message >>>> news:g8f1m596lv0uk23r9iqgkg6v7ojcgt3ece(a)4ax.com... >>>>> "Tom" Tom the piper's son <tc(a)comcast.net> found these unused words: >>>>>> All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least >>>>>> until they >>>>>> finish raping America while >>>>>> closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember >>>>>> these people do not like us only our money >>>>>> and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us. >>>>> Guess you missed the information that they make the cars in the US and >>>>> supply US workers with a living? >>>>> >>>>> That's as against Flipping Ford who assembles in MEXICO with foreign >>>>> made >>>>> parts. >>>>> >>>>> Remember to salute [right arm extended] when you look at a Chrysler >>>>> product. >>>>> >>
From: Vic Smith on 28 Jan 2010 06:42 On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:39:53 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote: >In article <4b60f302$0$22838$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>, > "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: > >> Nothing, if that is what one has to do, but my question was WHY buy used >> when one can afford to buy new? >> >> When one buys a used vehicle one can never know for sure how that vehicles >> was used or abused, or if it was properly maintained or not. When does one >> generally have the most problems with ANY vehicle, during the first 50,000 >> or the last? >> >> When one buys used THEY are loosing the beginning mileage, the mileage that >> is most likely covered by a warranty. What has one gained, IF one can >> afford to buy new rather than used? > >Because one chooses not to spend his money that way. If you choose >well, you don't have to worry about loosing the beginning/warranty >mileage. > >But since you're biased against GM, it's no wonder you think the way you >do. If you put a gun to my head and told me I had to drive a GM, I'd >avoid used like the plague, just like you. That goes against your argument about depreciation. Best to get the car that depreciates most, all else being equal. Unless you're biased of course. Then you get into a situation that happens with Toyota or Honda, where you sometimes see 1 or 2 year old used cars selling near new car prices. Then Mike is right about buying new. But his other arguments just show he doesn't know how to select a good used car. I can easily find a GM car for $2500-4000 that's good for 100k miles. Here it'll rust out before I add that many miles to it anyway. Might put a few hundred bucks in it up front to fix some minor items, then maintenance expense is chump change. Done it more than once. 5-8 years old is the sweet spot. Had my '90 Corsica since '98 and my '97 Lumina since '02. Each cost me $2500 from private owners. Put about 50k miles on each. Doesn't take a mathematician to see how much money I could put in my bank account. Add a couple other $2500 Corsicas and a $3500 Grand Am I bought for my kids as their first cars. Pretty easy to see how a car was maintained, though you don't know everything. If you have good ear and feel for how a car should run, all it takes is drive a and a look-see in the engine compartment. I've stuck with 2.0/2.2 and 2.8/3.1 series engines since I dropped the 350's, so I know them well. Never been hit by a big expense. Might be some luck there. Even new cars sometimes turn out bad. But some people only want a new car. I can understand that. I like that. I like that a lot. And I like even better the high depreciation of GM cars. That's how I could retire at 59 1/2. Different strokes, but 4-stroke is best. With pushrods. --Vic
From: Scott Dorsey on 28 Jan 2010 08:17 Mike Hunter <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: >No, not if that's all one can afford, but why would anyone want something >that the previous owner(s) no longer wanted, if one could afford a new >vehicle? Do you buy used clothing, appliances and furniture as well? Yes. Do you like to waste money? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: clare on 28 Jan 2010 13:44
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:38:12 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote: >In article <4b60e744$0$22820$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>, > "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: > >> No, not if that's all one can afford, but why would anyone want something >> that the previous owner(s) no longer wanted, if one could afford a new >> vehicle? > >Because one chooses not to spend his money on something that is >fundamentally priced and valued way, way differently in the market than >is a washer and dryer? > >Because there's this huge depreciation hit one takes on driving a new >car off the lot, at which point the TRUE value of the car becomes >apparent? > >Some people like chocolate, some don't. Some people like to spend their >money on that depreciation hit, some don't. > >Used cars aren't necessarily something the previous owner no longer >wanted; many of them are repos, cars that idiots couldn't afford. They >wanted to show off the lifestyle but couldn't afford to keep it up. > >I'd rather put my money into Hawaii vacations than into "look at me, I >got myself a new car!" And I'd rather buy a used car that was owned by someone who trades every few years for vanity's sake (and takes care of it) than a repo from someone who couldnt afford to take care of even the basics. Just my bias. I buy 5 year old cars for roughly 1/4 price (or less) and drive them another 10 or more years. If I get 10 years out of them, my depreciation coat is $500 per year, assuming I have to throw the car away when I'm done. Last $5500 car (was $35000 when it left the lot new) was still worth $1700 when I sold it 12 years later (at 18 years of age) |