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From: Mike Hunter on 27 Jan 2010 20:30 No, not if that's all one can afford, but why would anyone want something that the previous owner(s) no longer wanted, if one could afford a new vehicle? Do you buy used clothing, appliances and furniture as well? "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:SsudnSeZT6BmQP3WnZ2dnUVZ_qdi4p2d(a)giganews.com... > Mike Hunter wrote: >> You are correct, I keep forgetting most of the buyers in this NG are used >> car buyers. > > Something wrong with buying used cars? > > >> "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >> news:YMGdnZd_19GgWP3WnZ2dnUVZ_hZi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >>> Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> Old news, one can no longer buys those old cars, You can however still >>>> buy one of the many runaway Toyotas models. >>> only used >>> >>>> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >>>> news:pan.2010.01.27.00.37.45.547150(a)e86.GTS... >>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:03 -0800, jr92 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What they are doing now is is simply a PR move. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Many are considering it to be a desperation tactic. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Time will tell if their PR move pays off. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Myself, >>>>>> >>>>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into >>>>>> the >>>>>> likes of a Toyota. >>>>> Really? What DO you put them into? >>>>> >>>>> My last Toyota was recalled for... >>>>> >>>>> the antenna not mounted to the body correctly, which may cause static >>>>> on >>>>> the radio. >>>>> >>>>> With Ford sticking stickers on the dash saying, This car may go into >>>>> reverse at any time... >>>>> >>>>> Chevy making rolling blunders >>>>> >>>>> I'll stick to Toytota. They aren't perfect, but about as close as you >>>>> can >>>>> get at a good price. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>
From: Mike Hunter on 27 Jan 2010 20:53 Me thinks it is the micro processors logarithms. "dsi1" <dsi1(a)humuhumunukunukuapuapa.org> wrote in message news:gh58n.5189$1m3.4527(a)newsfe11.iad... > On 1/27/2010 12:48 PM, Tom wrote: >> Toyota has only known about this problem since2007 >>> >> Toyota first identified problems with the accelerator pedals on its >> Tundra pickup in March 2007. After months of testing, the company >> determined that the problem was caused by the material in the >> accelerators' friction lever and made a change. > > What's a "friction lever?" It's interesting that this problem appears in > wire and drive-by-wire systems. This probably means that the problem is > not with the drive-by-wire. If this happens in cars without the problem > floor mats, it probably means the floor mats are not the problem either. > The investigators should check out the components common to Toyotas with > with a history of this problem. That should narrow it down. > > In cases of runaway acceleration, I tend to believe it's driver's error. > This however, appears to be something different. > >> >> At that time, Toyota considered it to be a drivability issue unrelated >> to safety, according to its filing with the U.S. National Highway >> Traffic Safety Administration. A similar issue then arose in Europe in >> December 2008 in the right-hand-drive versions of two small Toyota cars, >> the Aygo and Yaris. >> >> The company's investigation found that condensation from heaters caused >> increased friction in the gas pedal, making it stick in some cases. >> Toyota lengthened the arm of the friction lever and changed its >> materials on all vehicles produced in Europe using the subject >> accelerator pedals starting in mid-August 2009. >> >> Beginning in October last year, Toyota became aware of sticking >> accelerator pedals in the U.S. and Canada. The company realized that the >> material used in >
From: clare on 27 Jan 2010 20:56 On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:47:12 -0500, "Tom" <tc(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > >"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in message >news:4b607425$0$24800$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net... >> What manufacturer ever refused to fix vehicles with a safety issue? >> >> >> "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message >> news:4b5fdd40$0$1588$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >>> jr92 wrote: >>> >>>> Myself, >>>> >>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into >>>> the likes of a Toyota. >>> >>> Yeah, you want to put them into a vehicle where the manufacturer fights >>> to the end to not fix safety issues, not one where the manufacturer >>> acknowledges potential problems and fixes them. >>> >>> What an idiot. >> >>All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least until they >>finish raping America while > closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember >these people do not like us only our money >and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us. One HECK of a lot more than the Chinese!!!!!!!
From: clare on 27 Jan 2010 21:03 On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:31:11 -0500, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: >Is that different than Toyota importing most of the materials, as well as >most of the models it sells in the US? > > >"Sir F. A. Rien" <jaSPAMc(a)gbr.online.com> wrote in message >news:g8f1m596lv0uk23r9iqgkg6v7ojcgt3ece(a)4ax.com... >> "Tom" Tom the piper's son <tc(a)comcast.net> found these unused words: >>> All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least until >>> they >>> finish raping America while >>> closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember >>> these people do not like us only our money >>> and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us. >> >> Guess you missed the information that they make the cars in the US and >> supply US workers with a living? >> >> That's as against Flipping Ford who assembles in MEXICO with foreign made >> parts. >> >> Remember to salute [right arm extended] when you look at a Chrysler >> product. >> > Where is the iron for the "imported" steel from? ANd you would be surprised how MUCH of the North American Totota is actually built in North America (using imported parts, just like every North American "built" car). Noth America produces virtually no electronics components any more, and very little heat treated iron or steel parts, or plated parts, due to environmental legislation (among other factors)
From: clare on 27 Jan 2010 21:12
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:26:42 -0500, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: >You can continue to believe that if you wish, but the US Commerce Department >says most of what Toyota sells is in the US is imported and those vehicles >and the parts they do ASSEMBLE in the US are assembled of imported >MATERIALS. Even Toyota says "assembled in the US, of world sourced parts >and materials." > > So does Ford and GM. Except those built in Mexico of world sourced parts and materials >"dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message >news:SsudnSaZT6C2Q_3WnZ2dnUVZ_qdi4p2d(a)giganews.com... >> Mike Hunter wrote: >>> Is that different than Toyota importing most of the materials, as well as >>> most of the models it sells in the US? >> >> Yet it builds most of the cars it sells in North America. And most of the >> parts in the those cars come from the US, too. >> >> Jeff >> >>> "Sir F. A. Rien" <jaSPAMc(a)gbr.online.com> wrote in message >>> news:g8f1m596lv0uk23r9iqgkg6v7ojcgt3ece(a)4ax.com... >>>> "Tom" Tom the piper's son <tc(a)comcast.net> found these unused words: >>>>> All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least until >>>>> they >>>>> finish raping America while >>>>> closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember >>>>> these people do not like us only our money >>>>> and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us. >>>> Guess you missed the information that they make the cars in the US and >>>> supply US workers with a living? >>>> >>>> That's as against Flipping Ford who assembles in MEXICO with foreign >>>> made >>>> parts. >>>> >>>> Remember to salute [right arm extended] when you look at a Chrysler >>>> product. >>>> >>> |