Toyota Throttle Electronics Easily Confused
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From: jim beam on 25 Feb 2010 23:08 On 02/25/2010 06:56 AM, C. E. White wrote: > "john"<johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:632aabcb-70bd-4397-879b-f6da50eb972f(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the >> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known >> so >> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics. >> >> "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University >> professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab >> environment >> a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by >> introducing a short between two circuits. > > Consider who is paying for this research....Trail Lawyers! "trail" lawyers? com on ed, when you regurgitate the copy your minions draft for you, you really should proof read it before you put your name to it. besides, since when was a lawyer's ability to subpoena factual evidence the lawyer's fault? if frod hadn't done the math on cost of payouts to the families of the bereaved vs. profits on a vehicle they knew to be flawed, neither i nor any "trail" lawyer would be able to confront you with reality. > > This is eerily like the Audi 5000 frenzy. When 60 minutes did their > hatchet job on the 5000, they produced an "expert" who "proved" that > the 5000's automatic transmission could force a kick down of the > accelerator pedal, resulting in sudden acceleration. Good old Ed > Bradly presented this as some sort of scientific proof. Only later did > we learn (and not from CBS) that the expert added an extra hydraulic > pump and external piping to demonstarte this "failure" mode. > > There may or may not be an actual problem with the Toyota electronics. > But an "expert" that creates shorts to "prove" there is a problem is > not the sort of expert I trust. that's because you're a paid shill ed, and you have no technical expertise. seriously, if you could actually /do/ anything of societal value, you'd be doing it rather than poisoning the interweb with bullshit for money. > > Ed > > -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 25 Feb 2010 23:08 On 02/25/2010 07:52 AM, C. E. White wrote: > "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:ksWdnXsZp4N7GhvWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > >> double-standard bullshit. frod bribed the entire congress into >> accepting a lie about tires being at fault for a fundamentally >> flawed vehicle design. where the heck were all you guys then? > > You have to quit repeating this lie. Explorers were no more > "fundamentally flawed" than other mid sized SUVs from the 1990's. As I > have pointed out to you multiple times, the accident rates, injury > rates, rollover rates, etc. for Explorers were actually better than > for most competitive vehciels and far better than for 4Runners from > that period. only after you've massaged the numbers. the /real/ data, the nhtsa's "single vehicle rollover fatalities per million driver miles" had the exploder as a standout "winner" of the "kill your driver" contest by a margin of about 3x. > Explorers actually had much lower injury rates that > "Average" vehciles in that time period. The facts are out there. You > prefer to ignore those and it makes you look like a lair. carefully selected bullshit ed. and you know it. because you're paid to know it. > > Trying to deflect attention from the Toyota problems by lying is a sad > tactic. oh, ed, i'm sad alright - i keep pointing out your hypocrisy, double standards, deceit and bullshit. > > Ed > > -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 25 Feb 2010 23:10 "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:4vKdnXiljpeq1BrWnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > On 02/25/2010 06:56 AM, C. E. White wrote: >> "john"<johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:632aabcb-70bd-4397-879b-f6da50eb972f(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >>> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the >>> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known >>> so >>> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics. >>> >>> "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University >>> professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab >>> environment >>> a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by >>> introducing a short between two circuits. >> >> Consider who is paying for this research....Trail Lawyers! > > "trail" lawyers? com on ed, when you regurgitate the copy your minions > draft for you, you really should proof read it before you put your name to > it. > > besides, since when was a lawyer's ability to subpoena factual evidence > the lawyer's fault? if frod hadn't done the math on cost of payouts to > the families of the bereaved vs. profits on a vehicle they knew to be > flawed, neither i nor any "trail" lawyer would be able to confront you > with reality. > > > >> >> This is eerily like the Audi 5000 frenzy. When 60 minutes did their >> hatchet job on the 5000, they produced an "expert" who "proved" that >> the 5000's automatic transmission could force a kick down of the >> accelerator pedal, resulting in sudden acceleration. Good old Ed >> Bradly presented this as some sort of scientific proof. Only later did >> we learn (and not from CBS) that the expert added an extra hydraulic >> pump and external piping to demonstarte this "failure" mode. >> >> There may or may not be an actual problem with the Toyota electronics. >> But an "expert" that creates shorts to "prove" there is a problem is >> not the sort of expert I trust. > > that's because you're a paid shill ed, and you have no technical > expertise. seriously, if you could actually /do/ anything of societal > value, you'd be doing it rather than poisoning the interweb with bullshit > for money. > > >> >> Ed Who are his minions anyway? I haven't seen his dossier.
From: jim beam on 25 Feb 2010 23:11 On 02/25/2010 02:54 PM, Tegger wrote: > "C. E. White"<cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in news:hm661q$p58$1 > @news.eternal-september.org: > >> >> "Tegger"<invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >> news:Xns9D2A4B185CB99tegger(a)208.90.168.18... >> >>> Or it's simple pedal misapplication, which is the most common cause >>> of SUA >>> by far, and is essentially out of /any/ automaker's control. >> >> Not really - software that recognized both pedals are pressed could >> cut power to the engine. > > > Which Toyota is doing. > > But that doesn't affect pedal misapplication if only ONE pedal is > depressed. That situation covers the overwhleming majority of SUA > incidents. > > > >> The shift interlocks that force you to press >> on the brakes before shifting into gear were a "fix" for the Audi 5000 >> UA concerns. If the Safety Nazis get there way, there will be so many >> fixes for potential/theoretical driver errors, that cars won't be >> usable, or affordable. > > > And somebody, somewhere, will still find a way to make a car run away with > itself anyway. At some point you have to give SOME sort of control to the > driver. and ANY sort of control of ANY kind carries SOME degree of risk. > > Life is dangerous. And it's imperfect. And it is risky. At some point you > have to accept those facts, be your own last line of defense, and stop > blaming others. > > > but ed's /paid/ to blame others... -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 25 Feb 2010 23:41
On 02/25/2010 01:43 PM, Ed White wrote: > On Feb 25, 10:09�am, "JoeSpareBedroom"<newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> > wrote: >> "C. E. White"<cewhi...(a)mindspring.com> wrote in messagenews:hm6346$ukt$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> "john"<johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:632aabcb-70bd-4397-879b-f6da50eb972f(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >>>> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the >>>> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so >>>> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics. >> >>>> "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University >>>> professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab environment >>>> a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by >>>> introducing a short between two circuits. >> >>> Consider who is paying for this research....Trail Lawyers! >> >>> This is eerily �like the Audi 5000 frenzy. When 60 minutes did their >>> hatchet job on the 5000, they produced an "expert" who "proved" that the >>> 5000's automatic transmission could force a kick down of the accelerator >>> pedal, resulting in sudden acceleration. Good old Ed Bradly presented this >>> as some sort of scientific proof. Only later did we learn (and not from >>> CBS) that the expert added an extra hydraulic pump and external piping to >>> demonstarte this "failure" mode. >> >>> There may or may not be an actual problem with the Toyota electronics. But >>> an "expert" that creates shorts to "prove" there is a problem is not the >>> sort of expert I trust. >> >>> Ed >> >> I see no indication that any expert claims to have proven anything. �Maybe >> you're interpreting something differently than I am. Please highlight the >> words you read and surround them with five asterisks on either end of the >> phrase, *****like this*****.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > "Prove" was probably to strong a word. I suppose I should have said > "an expert that creates wildly unlikely shorts to demonstartes how the > electronics could casue the problem is not the sort of expert I > trust." > > Ed yeah, you just trust money. shill money. -- nomina rutrum rutrum |