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From: Clive on 16 Feb 2010 21:22
In message <4b7b2977$0$10131$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>, Mike Hunter
<Mikehunt2(a)lycos.?.invalid> writes
>Give our friend dr-Jeff credit, even a broken clock is right twice a day
>;)
You're off topic mate, this is a Toyota NG.
>"Conscience" <nobama@g�v.com> wrote in message
>news:hlf8mf$b6t$1(a)news.albasani.net...
>> On 2010-02-16 14:28:19 -0800, dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> said:
>>
>>> Conscience wrote:
>>>> On 2010-02-16 14:02:24 -0800, dbu'' <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> said:
>>>>
>>>>> I didn't address your question directly, but I provided you a reason
>>>>> for
>>>>> you to continue your questioning which you like to do. So continue.
>>>>> We
>>>>> missed you, you bouncing rubber ball, LOL.
>>>>
>>>> You're wasting your time. His goal is to provoke via every non sequitur
>>>> and off-topic tangent he can generate. This is generated by his
>>>> self-inflated ego almost without peer, proving classic narcissism.
>>>>
>>>> Like children throwing tantrums, but with less intellect, he's best
>>>> ignored. Repond to his tripe at your own time's risk.
>>>
>>> that's why he is on my killfile.
>>>
>>> A complete waste of time.
>>
>> Whatya' know. Jeff and I agree on something.
>>
>
>

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Clive

From: Clive on 16 Feb 2010 21:26
In message <4b7b21f6$0$7052$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>, Mike Hunter
<Mikehunt2(a)lycos.?.invalid> writes
>A. N. reports Toyota is very concerned about their big sales fall off,
>particularly for it flag ship Camry. Toyotas Januarys overall sales
>decline was 17% and February sales are reportedly down over 22%.
>
>Toyota is said to be working to try to reverse the trend. In March they
>are considering matching GM 100K warranty or BMWs free scheduled
>maintenance, in addition to their expanding the current Zero interest
>incentive on the slow selling Camry to other models.
>
>As to Tundra, that is old news that plant was closed for three months last
>year as well and Toyota was dumping Tundra's for as low as $25,000 at the
>Manheim Auto Auctions. It has nothing to do with the deaths and injuries
>that have led to the massive world wide recalls, it is the simple fact that
>the Tundra has been a dud in the truck market. While Ford, GM and even
>Dodge truck sales have been steadily going up, Tundra sales are continuing
>on a downward slide ever since the truck came to market.
When a product comes new to a market it starts off with nil sales, how
do you go down from there?
>All of the recalls may be good for Toyota techs but it is hell on the
>dealerships. Everyone knows factory reimbursements are rarely ever equal
>the real cost to the dealership.
>
>I would not be surprised to see some Toyota dealership being offered up, in
>some markets. Dealers with floor plans loaded with a thousand or more
>units they can not sell will not take long to sink.
>
>
>"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:hlf2em$57k$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "dbu''" <nospam(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:DNOdncBDV9_PUOfWnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d(a)giganews.com...
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586111,00.html?test=latestnews
>>>
>>> Now the feeding frenzy is putting more people out of work. This is pure
>>> partisan BS by the WH in conjunction with the unions.
>>
>> Well the Texas plant build Tundras. As far as I know Tundras have not been
>> implicated in the vehcile speed control issues. Truck sales in general are
>> in the toliet, and the Tundra is now the oldest design in the segment. In
>> my opinion, even when new, the current Tundra was a weak entry in the
>> field. Now it is weak and old. I don't think it should be a surprise that
>> they might need to idle that factory.
>>
>> I suppose the Kentucky plant slow down may be related to the unintended
>> acceleration complaints since it builds Camrys. But the fact that the
>> current Camry is one of the oldest designs in the mid car segment can't be
>> helping. Accord sales were up alot more than Camry sales were down in
>> January. So maybe the UA concerns pushed a lot of potential Camry buyers
>> into Accords.
>>
>> On the other hand, maybe it is just the general lousy economy I know I'd
>> like a new car, but I'm not willing to go out and get one now. Maybe next
>> year.
>>
>> Since Toyota said they were not laying anyone off, how is it that you are
>> claiming the feeding frenzy is putting a lot of people out of work?
>>
>> I saw an article the other day that talked about how dealer service
>> department were pulling in a lot of extra revenue becasue of all the
>> recalls. I guess there really is a silver lining to most clouds. If you
>> are a Toyota technician, this is probaly a big pay day. I suppose if you
>> are a Toyota salesman, you might be looking at moving over to the Honda
>> store around the corner.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>

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Clive

From: in2dadark on 21 Feb 2010 14:14
On Feb 16, 4:32 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>
> news:okDen.83367$Fe4.78123(a)newsfe21.iad...
>
> > "dbu''" <nos...(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:DNOdncBDV9_PUOfWnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> >>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586111,00.html?test=latestnews
>
> >> Now the feeding frenzy is putting more people out of work.  This is pure
> >> partisan BS by the WH in conjunction with the unions.
>
> > In what specific ways do **YOU** believe the White House and unions are
> > involved with the idling of Toyota factories, as described ONLY in the
> > article you posted? Below is the text of the article you posted, in its
> > entirety.
>
> He's baaaack.
>
> 30 days in the hole, and nothing's different.

He probably got his stank attitude tossin' salads in jail in the first
place. This is probably not his first or last time in the graybar
hotel.
From: in2dadark on 21 Feb 2010 14:19
On Feb 16, 6:40 pm, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote:
> Have YOU not noticed what happened in the thread?   The Toyota loyalist have
> once again shifted the topic away from Toyotas problems to the UNION.
> AGAIN at least kept it in the Toyota news group for a change   ;)
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hlf76b$n49$1(a)news.eternal->
>
>
>
> > The story is, Toyota is shuttering plants for a few days, or a week,
> > whatever, to save money. The point is that the unions will come in and
> > tell the workers, we can stop them from doing that if you let us. Obama
> > wants the unions to get into plants like Toyota because he owes the unions
> > as many favors as he can muster up. That's the point to discuss, not
> > whether the story is about unions and Toyota.
>
> > How was jail?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I've been saying toyota quality has been going down for years and
others on here have agreed. I don't think anyone on this disscusion
boa..oops there I go again, this 'whatever' is so loyal to ANY brand
as to ignore the obvious. But your alternative (ford, GM) is not the
answer either, al least not for me.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 21 Feb 2010 18:41
"in2dadark" <in2dadark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c4cddbea-b48a-487d-848f-c9eb50a14718(a)b7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 16, 4:32 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>
> news:okDen.83367$Fe4.78123(a)newsfe21.iad...
>
> > "dbu''" <nos...(a)nobama.com.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:DNOdncBDV9_PUOfWnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d(a)giganews.com...
> >>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586111,00.html?test=latestnews
>
> >> Now the feeding frenzy is putting more people out of work. This is pure
> >> partisan BS by the WH in conjunction with the unions.
>
> > In what specific ways do **YOU** believe the White House and unions are
> > involved with the idling of Toyota factories, as described ONLY in the
> > article you posted? Below is the text of the article you posted, in its
> > entirety.
>
> He's baaaack.
>
> 30 days in the hole, and nothing's different.

He probably got his stank attitude tossin' salads in jail in the first
place. This is probably not his first or last time in the graybar
hotel.

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I predict that you girls will hang onto this jail idea until this time next
year. It's all you've got.


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