Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem
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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 18 Feb 2010 20:05 On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 00:45:41 +0000, Clive wrote: > In message <hlkl0l$m9s$7(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >>Ever driven a car with electrically enhanced steering? >> >>My bet is for one it's the first Corolla the complainers have ever owned, >>which takes some getting used to all by itself if you've never owned a >>Corolla, and the electrically assisted PS, that is a different aniimal >>all of it's own. > I own two cars with power steering an 02 Nissan Almera and an 09 Toyota > Auris. The Nissan has hydraulic power steering, the Toyota has Electric > power steering. Personally I can't tell the difference. I can only > assume that the American products are somehow inferior. For people that aren't used to Corollas the steering can be daunting. It's really, really tight, even in the days before rack and pinion. It is very easy to make a Corolla sway back and forth if you're not used to the tightness of the steering. Since my first 4 cars were Toyotas, I was used to the steering right from the start. Someone used to a more drifty steering system (like Chryslers) might think there's something wrong, but they're just not used to the tightness. You have an Auris...looks kind of like a cross between a Matrix and a Yaris...I'd bet the steering is fairly tight in that, too.
From: Clive on 18 Feb 2010 20:23 In message <hlko4u$334$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >Someone used to a more drifty steering system (like Chryslers) might think >there's something wrong, but they're just not used to the tightness. You >have an Auris...looks kind of like a cross between a Matrix and a >Yaris...I'd bet the steering is fairly tight in that, too. If you mean ,Sharp, or Precise then yes, it's typical Rack and Pinion steering. (As opposed to Recirculating Ball, spongy and imprecise.) If you mean hard to turn, then no. -- Clive
From: Ashton Crusher on 19 Feb 2010 00:23 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:56:56 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in >news:dLCdnXPoScvi2-DWnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com: > >> Tegger wrote: >>> john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in >>> news:13e57575-ca27-4b87-b2a5-d7aff4b207f9(a)s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com >>> : >>> >>>> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design. >>> >>> >>> Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints" >>> are at this point. >> >> That's true of the brake problems. > > > >It's also true of the new PS thing. The NHTSA has said so. > > > >> Apparently, Toyota and the NHTSA >> failed to address the reports and take appropriate action, leading to >> a big mess. > > >The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as being >specifically due to a stuck gas pedal. 34 deaths.
From: nm5k on 19 Feb 2010 00:28 On Feb 18, 6:37 pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: > n...(a)wt.net wrote innews:8830dec9-b969-4360-947d-73506a456668(a)q21g2000yqm..googlegroups.com: > > > Myself, I think most of the > > problem is there is likely too much assist at highway speeds, and > > it needs to be toned down a bit. > > There is NO assist at highway speeds. Assist is NOT NEEDED at highway > speeds. Assist picks up at speeds where you might actually have to crank > the wheel around with some authority, like at 10mph around a left-hand > turn, or when maneuvering into a parking space. As I described.. But how do you know there is actually no assist at highway speeds? Myself, I don't know as I've never driven one of those 09-10 models. I think the issue is real, but I do think many are getting a bit overly lathered up about it. It's not anything that is really dangerous. Course, it could be something else that is causing the problem, like pulsing, etc.. But being I've never driven one, I couldn't really say. But I know I've seen a lot of people complain about the feel of them, where on the other hand, many other models in the past that used electric assist didn't seem to garner the same complaints. This leads me to think they programmed something a bit different if they are using basically the same electric type system. I've heard of a few that went so far as to trade the car in as they couldn't stand the feel of it when tracking a straight line on the highway. But.. Some with those years don't notice any problem.. Go figure.. :/
From: Tegger on 19 Feb 2010 08:49
nm5k(a)wt.net wrote in news:1a878bf3-42ee-4b22-8b08-d7ae79a50a55(a)z19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com: > On Feb 18, 6:37�pm, Tegger <inva...(a)invalid.inv> wrote: >> n...(a)wt.net wrote >> innews:8830dec9-b969-4360-947d-73506a456668(a)q21g2000yqm > .googlegroups.com: >> >> > Myself, I think most of the >> > problem is there is likely too much assist at highway speeds, and >> > it needs to be toned down a bit. >> >> There is NO assist at highway speeds. Assist is NOT NEEDED at highway >> speeds. Assist picks up at speeds where you might actually have to >> crank the wheel around with some authority, like at 10mph around a >> left-hand turn, or when maneuvering into a parking space. > > As I described.. But how do you know there is actually no assist > at highway speeds? Myself, I don't know as I've never driven one of > those 09-10 models. Variable boost has been around since at least 1990, and EPS since about then as well. It's old technology at this point. Variable boost was introduced in order to improve the "feel" of power steering at speed. Old-style non-variable power steering can feel "floaty" and touchy at highway speeds. If the boost in this case is not precisely zero at highway speeds, it's awfully close to that. How far and fast do you ever need to turn the steering wheel at 40+ mph? You'd roll the car. I have a strong suspicion that, were it not for the other problems besetting Toyota right now, the EPS thing would be a "nothing" issue. -- Tegger |