Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem
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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 18 Feb 2010 19:15 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:02:26 -0500, dr_jeff wrote: > Tegger wrote: >> dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in >> news:dLCdnXPoScvi2-DWnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com: >> >>> Tegger wrote: >>>> john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in >>>> news:13e57575-ca27-4b87-b2a5-d7aff4b207f9(a)s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com >>>> : >>>> : >>>>> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design. >>>> >>>> Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints" are >>>> at this point. >>> That's true of the brake problems. >> >> >> >> It's also true of the new PS thing. The NHTSA has said so. >> >> >> >>> Apparently, Toyota and the NHTSA >>> failed to address the reports and take appropriate action, leading to a >>> big mess. >> >> >> The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as >> being specifically due to a stuck gas pedal. > > How do you confirm that a death is due to a stuck gas pedal? Do you have > to call in to 9-1-1 and say that you're going to die from a stuck gas > pedal? A stuck gas pedal is a really hard thing to confirm. Not really. The ECU stores throttle position information and engine revs for something like three cycles. It would be very easy to determine which deaths were caused by a fault in the system and which were just poor driving habits. Nobody has really presented any hard evidence. When someone does I might change my stance on Toyota's Mea Culpa.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 18 Feb 2010 19:16 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:03:58 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > (Cross posting deleted, automatically) > >> OK, then we have NO deaths confirmed as being due to a stuck gas pedal. >> >> What a witch-hunt???? >> >> -- >> Tegger > > Can we assume you have not seen the news lately, if that is what you > choose to believe. > > Search "Toyota Class Action Litigation" and you will find numerous > listings like this: > Law firms form consortium in Toyota recall litigation Posted On: Feb. 11, > 2010 2:24 PM CENTRAL | Add a comment Roberto Ceniceros > SAN DIEGOAbout 25 law firms seeking class action status for lawsuits > filed against Toyota Motor Corp. in more than 20 states have formed a > consortium, an attorney coordinating the group said Thursday. > > > "Approximately 20 other lawsuits seeking class action status on behalf of > consumers also have been filed against the automaker because of > accelerator problems that have led to the recall of more than 8 million > automobiles. > > > Those 40 suits do not include individual personal injury claims that > consumers have filed against Toyota. > > > Tim Howard, coordinator of the Attorneys Toyota Action Consortium, said a > court hearing on whether all the class action cases will be consolidated > is expected March 25 before a multidistrict panel in U.S. District Court > in San Diego. > > > Mr. Howard is a professor of law and policy at Northeastern University and > an attorney at Howard Associates P.A. in Tallahassee, Fla. > > > The lawsuits seeking class action status share common allegations that > consumers lost value in and the use of their cars because of defective > parts that sparked the recall. > > > Total damages sought in the consolidated class actions could exceed $2 > billion, based on a calculation that millions of cars lost hundreds of > dollars in value and their owners lost the use of their cars while they > were unsafe to drive or were being repaired, Mr. Howard said. > > > The value is diminished because once someone knows your car might be a > poltergeist car, people dont have to take that kind of risk, Mr. > Howard said. They can find other cars on the market. Even if they solve > (the problems), that lingering fear is going to affect the consciousness > of the consumer. > > > Toyota also is facing securities-related class action litigation. > > > For example, the San Diego-based law firm of Coughlin Stoia Geller Rudman > & Robbins L.L.P. said Monday that it had filed a lawsuit in the U.S. > District Court for the Central District of California on behalf of people > who purchased Toyota securities between Aug. 4, 2009, and Feb. 2, 2010. > > > The complaint alleges that Toyota and some of its officers and directors > misled investors by failing to disclose design defects, causing its stock > to trade at artificially inflated prices during the class period. And no where is data taken from the ECU mentioned.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 18 Feb 2010 19:17 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:34:57 -0800, jim beam wrote: >> OK, then we have NO deaths confirmed as being due to a stuck gas pedal. >> >> What a witch-hunt. >> >> > you should be able to recover the last 30 seconds of data from the engine > computer - that should tell you speed, throttle position, etc. and whether > throttle position stayed fixed. Thank you. There are some thinking people here... (God, Jim, ever think I'd be patting you on the back? ;) )
From: Tegger on 18 Feb 2010 19:37 nm5k(a)wt.net wrote in news:8830dec9-b969-4360-947d-73506a456668(a)q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: > Myself, I think most of the > problem is there is likely too much assist at highway speeds, and > it needs to be toned down a bit. There is NO assist at highway speeds. Assist is NOT NEEDED at highway speeds. Assist picks up at speeds where you might actually have to crank the wheel around with some authority, like at 10mph around a left-hand turn, or when maneuvering into a parking space. This whole matter is ludicrously insane, a bizarre Alice-In-Wonderland nut-fest; powered, I suspect, by the tort bar, and by the unions (who hate Toyota with the sort of red-haze death-lust that Ted Bundy must have felt for his victims). ANYbody who knows the SLIGHTEST thing about ANY modern power-assisted steering system cannot help but be appalled by the mystical "evil spirits" nonsense surrounding this current craze. I am not quite certain WHY this is happening, but I AM quite certain that it is /wholly/ without foundation. -- Tegger
From: Clive on 18 Feb 2010 19:45
In message <hlkl0l$m9s$7(a)news.eternal-september.org>, =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> writes >Ever driven a car with electrically enhanced steering? > >My bet is for one it's the first Corolla the complainers have ever owned, >which takes some getting used to all by itself if you've never owned a >Corolla, and the electrically assisted PS, that is a different aniimal all >of it's own. I own two cars with power steering an 02 Nissan Almera and an 09 Toyota Auris. The Nissan has hydraulic power steering, the Toyota has Electric power steering. Personally I can't tell the difference. I can only assume that the American products are somehow inferior. -- Clive |