Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem
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From: jim beam on 18 Feb 2010 10:34 On 02/18/2010 06:16 AM, Tegger wrote: > dr_jeff<utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in > news:Q6ydnUuaVefv1eDWnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com: > >> Tegger wrote: > >>> >>> >>> The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as >>> being specifically due to a stuck gas pedal. >> >> How do you confirm that a death is due to a stuck gas pedal? Do you >> have to call in to 9-1-1 and say that you're going to die from a stuck >> gas pedal? A stuck gas pedal is a really hard thing to confirm. >> > > > OK, then we have NO deaths confirmed as being due to a stuck gas pedal. > > What a witch-hunt. > you should be able to recover the last 30 seconds of data from the engine computer - that should tell you speed, throttle position, etc. and whether throttle position stayed fixed. but even that doesn't confirm with certainty - maybe the guy was having a heart attack and had his foot pressed down in pain. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Mike Hunter on 18 Feb 2010 10:50 (Cross posting deleted, automatically) Will he be riding in an Audi again? "john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:53abe15c-ca24-451e-92cb-924747bafef7(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... Many owners have posted about steering problems here, and guess what? There is a problem and Corolla may be recalled! "Some Corolla drivers in the U.S. have reported experiencing a loss of steering control, typically occurring at higher speeds. Sasaki says Toyota has received less than 100 complaints about steering issues in the Corolla. At the same Japanese press conference where Sasaki spoke, TMC President Akio Toyoda said he does not plan to visit to the U.S. next week to appear at two U.S. government hearings. �I trust that our officials in the U.S. will amply answer the questions,� Toyoda is quoted as saying. �We are sending the best people to the hearing, and I hope to back up the efforts from headquarters.� Yoshimi Inaba, Toyota Motor North America president, will appear at a Feb. 24 hearing of the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and a Feb. 25 House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing. Toyoda says he will travel to the U.S. at a later date. http://wardsauto.com/home/toyota_traffic_corolla_100217/
From: Mike Hunter on 18 Feb 2010 10:52 (Cross posting deleted, automatically) Our friend dr_jeff is an expert at doing that "dr_jeff" <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in message news:dLCdnXPoScvi2-DWnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > Tegger wrote: >> john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in >> news:13e57575-ca27-4b87-b2a5-d7aff4b207f9(a)s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com: >>> Veered sharply at highway speeds? Must be junk design. >> >> >> Or an unsubstantiated allegation, which most of these "complaints" are at >> this point. > > That's true of the brake problems. Apparently, Toyota and the NHTSA failed > to address the reports and take appropriate action, leading to a big mess. > >> You're aware that some half of all collisions are single-vehicle crashes? >> A single-vehicle crash is an embarrassing thing to be involved in; it's >> an embarrassment leading to the possibility of owners blaming their bad >> driving on the car. > > IINM, some of the reports were from people whose cars did not crash. > > As computers control more of a car's function, I hope the computers will > keep better data, so that when there is a problem, engineers can upload > the data and determine what really happened. > >>> "Many of the complaints report that vehicles unexpectedly veered >>> sharply at highway speeds of 40 miles per hour and above. At least 10 >>> injuries have been alleged." >> >> >> >> "Alleged". Good word. And they remain "alleged" until proven otherwise. >> One can "allege" anything he likes. >> >> If EPS is so bad, how come there were no problems with the MR2's similar >> EPS? >> >> >>
From: Mike Hunter on 18 Feb 2010 11:03 (Cross posting deleted, automatically) > OK, then we have NO deaths confirmed as being due to a stuck gas pedal. > > What a witch-hunt???? > > -- > Tegger Can we assume you have not seen the news lately, if that is what you choose to believe. Search "Toyota Class Action Litigation" and you will find numerous listings like this: Law firms form consortium in Toyota recall litigation Posted On: Feb. 11, 2010 2:24 PM CENTRAL | Add a comment Roberto Ceniceros SAN DIEGO�About 25 law firms seeking class action status for lawsuits filed against Toyota Motor Corp. in more than 20 states have formed a consortium, an attorney coordinating the group said Thursday. "Approximately 20 other lawsuits seeking class action status on behalf of consumers also have been filed against the automaker because of accelerator problems that have led to the recall of more than 8 million automobiles. Those 40 suits do not include individual personal injury claims that consumers have filed against Toyota. Tim Howard, coordinator of the Attorneys Toyota Action Consortium, said a court hearing on whether all the class action cases will be consolidated is expected March 25 before a multidistrict panel in U.S. District Court in San Diego. Mr. Howard is a professor of law and policy at Northeastern University and an attorney at Howard Associates P.A. in Tallahassee, Fla. The lawsuits seeking class action status share common allegations that consumers lost value in and the use of their cars because of defective parts that sparked the recall. Total damages sought in the consolidated class actions could exceed $2 billion, based on a calculation that millions of cars lost hundreds of dollars in value and their owners lost the use of their cars while they were unsafe to drive or were being repaired, Mr. Howard said. The value is diminished �because once someone knows your car might be a poltergeist car, people don�t have to take that kind of risk,� Mr. Howard said. �They can find other cars on the market. Even if they solve (the problems), that lingering fear is going to affect the consciousness of the consumer.� Toyota also is facing securities-related class action litigation. For example, the San Diego-based law firm of Coughlin Stoia Geller Rudman & Robbins L.L.P. said Monday that it had filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California on behalf of people who purchased Toyota securities between Aug. 4, 2009, and Feb. 2, 2010. The complaint alleges that Toyota and some of its officers and directors misled investors by failing to disclose design defects, causing its stock to trade at artificially inflated prices during the class period. "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D235E63D901Dtegger(a)208.90.168.18... > dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in > news:Q6ydnUuaVefv1eDWnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com: > >> Tegger wrote: > >>> >>> >>> The "big mess" is in the media alone. So far, ONE death confirmed as >>> being specifically due to a stuck gas pedal. >> >> How do you confirm that a death is due to a stuck gas pedal? Do you >> have to call in to 9-1-1 and say that you're going to die from a stuck >> gas pedal? A stuck gas pedal is a really hard thing to confirm. >> > > >
From: ChrisCoaster on 18 Feb 2010 17:14
On Feb 18, 10:09 am, n...(a)wt.net wrote: > On a normal variable assist steering, there should be a good > amount of assist at slow speeds, but very little if any at highway > speeds. At speed, you want to mimic the feel of a non assisted > rack and pinion. > - Show quoted text - something http://www.bmwcoop.com/wp-content/images/2009/01/bmw-logo.jpg has more than mastered! Now why can't they do that for the MASSES? (us po' folks!) -CCoaster |