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From: C. E. White on 15 Mar 2010 10:38 "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:ts2dnc8HgrXH3APWnZ2dnUVZ_uMAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... > that's it - ed the astroturfer is back at work bright and early on a > monday morning! And apparently, so are you. > the flavor this week [since the political barrage has started to > backfire on mid-term candidates] is f.u.d. a slow drip drip drip of > fear, uncertainty and doubt. Huh? Do you actually read the BS you post? What does this mean? > ed, do your moral bankruptcy a favor - go get yourself a real job > where you're not driving the g.m. trojan horse of chinese > outsourcing into the american economy. thanks. Again, what does this mean? Maybe you could site some example of where I am "driving the g.m. trojan horse of chinese outsourcing." And how about explaing how I could "do [my] moral bankruptcy a favor?" What does this even mean? It is like a string of unrealted words that you just plugged together becasue you want to say something that sounded important. Are you trying to make some sort of point? Do you have anything to add to the discussion? Or do you just like to poke at me because you have nothing better to do? Ed
From: jim beam on 15 Mar 2010 10:51 On 03/15/2010 07:38 AM, C. E. White wrote: > "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:ts2dnc8HgrXH3APWnZ2dnUVZ_uMAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... > >> that's it - ed the astroturfer is back at work bright and early on a >> monday morning! > > And apparently, so are you. i'm at home ed. crunching cornflakes before i go to earn an honest crust. > >> the flavor this week [since the political barrage has started to >> backfire on mid-term candidates] is f.u.d. a slow drip drip drip of >> fear, uncertainty and doubt. > > Huh? Do you actually read the BS you post? What does this mean? oh, poor innocent ed. just have one of the interns look it up for you. > >> ed, do your moral bankruptcy a favor - go get yourself a real job >> where you're not driving the g.m. trojan horse of chinese >> outsourcing into the american economy. thanks. > > Again, what does this mean? Maybe you could site some example of where > I am "driving the g.m. trojan horse of chinese outsourcing." ed, g.m. are the largest outsourcer of component manufacture. they outsource to china. you and your kind are supporting chinese job creation and american job annihilation. > > And how about explaing how I could "do [my] moral bankruptcy a favor?" > What does this even mean? It is like a string of unrealted words that > you just plugged together becasue you want to say something that > sounded important. poor ed. have one of the interns explain it to you. they're clearly much better educated than you. > > Are you trying to make some sort of point? Do you have anything to add > to the discussion? Or do you just like to poke at me because you have > nothing better to do? here's my point ed - you're an astroturfing shill. you're a moral bankrupt. you're part of a machine without clue and which is doing more to damage america and america's future than your clueless retarded asses can contemplate. STOP astroturfing. STOP supporting the g.m. trojan horse. if you want to dissipate your apparently limitless energies, focus them on having domestic manufacturers use domestic component supply, make vehicles people actually buy, and stop wasting tax dollars propping up idiot management that doesn't know what it's doing. it's easy enough - just have the guy that runs g.m. in europe brought over here - he does all that for opel. > > Ed > yeah, ed the astroturfer that's pushing the trojan horse. -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: C. E. White on 15 Mar 2010 11:54 Do you ever actually answer a question? You seem to have adopted the tactic of most politicians - ignore the actual question and instead go on a rant on about something only loosely related. Let me repeat the original questions and add a few more: 1) What did you mean when you wrote - "the flavor this week [since the political barrage has started to backfire on mid-term candidates] is f.u.d. a slow drip drip drip of fear, uncertainty and doubt." Telling me to ask my non-existent intern is not an answer, it just a dodge. 2) Can you cite an example of where I am "driving the g.m. trojan horse of chinese outsourcing?" This was with regards to your statement - "do your moral bankruptcy a favor - go get yourself a real job where you're not driving the g.m. trojan horse of chinese outsourcing into the american economy." The long statement you posted in response to the request the first time didn't address my question. Give me an example of where I am "driving the g.m. trojan horse of chinese outsourcing." 3) And how about explaining how I could "do [my] moral bankruptcy a favor?" Telling me to ask my non-existent intern is not an answer, it just yet another dodge. Your original statement made no sense. 4) Why do you think I am supporting GM outsourcing? It is clear that it is happening, but GM is not unique in out sourcing components. I certainly have no interest in defending GM management. So why are you putting me and GM management in the same boat? What do you suggest as an alternative to outsourcing? GM's competitors (including Toyota) are purchasing components from China as well. Do you expect GM to do differently? I don't like it and would support any reasonable plan to have all companies make more components here in the US. I just don't have an answer of how to make that happen. 5) Doesn't GM makes at least a few cars that people want to buy? Last time I checked the Silverado was the second best selling vehicle in America. I think the Malibu and Impala were in the top ten as well. I wouldn't mind owning a Corvette. 6) What is "astroturfing?" It sounds like the process of installing artificial grass. 7) Exactly what "machine" am I part of? You have created a sort of fantasy where I am being paid to post my diverse opinions and that I have a "team" of people to help me. If only it were true. Ed "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:6-6dnRhmTs7E1APWnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > On 03/15/2010 07:38 AM, C. E. White wrote: >> "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:ts2dnc8HgrXH3APWnZ2dnUVZ_uMAAAAA(a)speakeasy.net... >> >>> that's it - ed the astroturfer is back at work bright and early on >>> a >>> monday morning! >> >> And apparently, so are you. > > i'm at home ed. crunching cornflakes before i go to earn an honest > crust. > > >> >>> the flavor this week [since the political barrage has started to >>> backfire on mid-term candidates] is f.u.d. a slow drip drip drip >>> of >>> fear, uncertainty and doubt. >> >> Huh? Do you actually read the BS you post? What does this mean? > > oh, poor innocent ed. just have one of the interns look it up for > you. > > >> >>> ed, do your moral bankruptcy a favor - go get yourself a real job >>> where you're not driving the g.m. trojan horse of chinese >>> outsourcing into the american economy. thanks. >> >> Again, what does this mean? Maybe you could site some example of >> where >> I am "driving the g.m. trojan horse of chinese outsourcing." > > ed, g.m. are the largest outsourcer of component manufacture. they > outsource to china. you and your kind are supporting chinese job > creation and american job annihilation. > > >> >> And how about explaing how I could "do [my] moral bankruptcy a >> favor?" >> What does this even mean? It is like a string of unrealted words >> that >> you just plugged together becasue you want to say something that >> sounded important. > > poor ed. have one of the interns explain it to you. they're > clearly much better educated than you. > > >> >> Are you trying to make some sort of point? Do you have anything to >> add >> to the discussion? Or do you just like to poke at me because you >> have >> nothing better to do? > > here's my point ed - you're an astroturfing shill. you're a moral > bankrupt. you're part of a machine without clue and which is doing > more to damage america and america's future than your clueless > retarded asses can contemplate. > > STOP astroturfing. STOP supporting the g.m. trojan horse. if you > want to dissipate your apparently limitless energies, focus them on > having domestic manufacturers use domestic component supply, make > vehicles people actually buy, and stop wasting tax dollars propping > up idiot management that doesn't know what it's doing. it's easy > enough - just have the guy that runs g.m. in europe brought over > here - he does all that for opel. > > >> >> Ed >> > > yeah, ed the astroturfer that's pushing the trojan horse. > > > -- > nomina rutrum rutrum
From: C. E. White on 15 Mar 2010 12:09 "Conscience" <nobama@g�v.com> wrote in message news:hnlhvd$q1$1(a)news.albasani.net... > On 2010-03-15 07:51:04 -0700, jim beam <me(a)privacy.net> said: > >> ...focus [them] on having domestic manufacturers use domestic >> component supply, MAKE VEHICLES PEOPLE ACTUALLY BUY, and stop >> wasting tax dollars propping up idiot management that doesn't know >> what it's doing. it's easy enough - just have the guy that runs >> g.m. in europe brought over here - he does all that for opel. > > What he said. Emphasis in caps mine. GM actually makes many decent vehicles. I don't think the company went bankrupt because they build bad vehicles. I think they went bankrupt because the company was poorly managed. The economic slow down just revealed the depth of the mismangement. > Regarding idiot management, GM is Obama Motors, so I agree there as > well. I have no interest in making excuses for the way the Government bailed out GM. I didn't like what was done and I don't even think it was legal. GM should have been allowed to go into bankruptcy in the usual manner. It seems to me that the Government essentially nationalized GM and then gave part of it to the UAW. The original stock holders and creditors were screwed. Then there is the whole issue of how all the management that screwed up got millions to retire or move on. I do not think it was just Obama who was responsible for the GM debacle. The initial loans were made while GWB was still in office. Ed
From: C. E. White on 15 Mar 2010 14:46
"Conscience" <nobama@g�v.com> wrote in message news:hnlmfp$8vc$1(a)news.albasani.net... > On 2010-03-15 09:09:49 -0700, "C. E. White" > <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> said: > >> I do not think it was just Obama who was responsible for the GM >> debacle. The >> initial loans were made while GWB was still in office. > > GM should have been allowed to go under, and restructure. Plain and > simple. > > That it wasn't, is only a testament to the power that the UAW holds > over the Dems. Restructuring would have allowed renegotiated > contracts, and that would have been a vote drain to the party of > "The People". We seem to be in violent agreement. The Government screwed the tax payers, GM stock holders, and GM creditors and the only significant benficaries were the UAW and a bunch of overpaid GM execs. If there is any point we disagree on, it is the fact that you limit your blame to the Democrats. There were plenty of Rebublicans on the save GM bandwagon as well. Ed |