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From: Ray O on 12 Mar 2010 15:45 "in2dadark" <in2dadark(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1e77a772-2aa2-4c48-9e03-ab6cd8b26b61(a)t41g2000yqt.googlegroups.com... On Mar 12, 1:56 am, Ed Maier <evmaiertakethis...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > We've never had any problems with my wife's '08 Avalon, but the recall > letter said to bring it in anyhow. Dropped it off at Don Davis this > morning about 8:30AM and listened to the service rep explain what was to > be done. Clip a bit off the pedal bottom, increase the clearance under > the pedal, and install the new bar in the pedal assembly. > > Got a shuttle lift back home while the work was being done. Had > breakfast, fixed a pot of coffee, read the paper, and watched the news a > bit. Got a phone call that the shuttle was on the way to my house to get > me. The shuttle arrived and I went back to the service bay. Signed some > papers and picked up the Avalon at about 11:30AM. (They'd also given it > a nice wash job and stapled a coupon for a free oil change on the > paperwork.) Beats the hell out of the foil warning label Ford sent me to > stick on my dashboard when my '69 Torino's transmission would jump out > of park. > :-) > > Ed Maier > Arlington, TX Friend of mine has an 09 camry. She says when she lets off the gas sometimes it keeps going at that speed. It doens't speed up, but keeps going at that speed. She said she already had the recall work done. ******** Due to reduction in drag and changes in transmissions, newer vehicles with automatic transmissions coast a lot further than they did 10 years ago, so a vehicle going 40 MPH would only lose 5 mph after coasting 2 blocks. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply)
From: C. E. White on 12 Mar 2010 18:18 "Ed Maier" <evmaiertakethisout(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hncoji$3tg$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Beats the hell out of the foil warning label Ford sent me to stick on my > dashboard when my '69 Torino's transmission would jump out of park. Did your transmission ever actually junk out of park? And which transmission did your car actually have - there were three possibilities for your car - FMX, C4, C6 depending on engine. And which type of shift mechanism did you have - column or floor? And wasn't it more convenient to have the label delivered to your home as opposed to forcing you to go to the dealership to have a worthless / ugly label stuck on your dash? I don't understand how some people are willing to assume that the Toyota problems are bogus and domestic recalls are completely justified. Go read the documents on the NHTSA website related to the Ford transmission "recall"- http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/1981/V/RCRIT-81V008-9702.pdf http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/1981/V/RCONL-81V008-1709.pdf http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/1981/V/RCDNN-81V008-8294.pdf NHTSA never actually determined there was a problem, that could be addressed by a recall but in an effort to justify the millions spent on the investigation, NHTSA forced Ford to send out those silly labels. The sticker recall was actually a tacit admission by NHTSA that there wasn't a significant problem. Having Ford send out stickers allowed the NHTSA execs to claim they had won a victory, when in fact, they had only managed to waste a lot of the Government's and Ford's time and money. It was a sham recall for a sham problem so as to cover the asses of a bunch of NHTSA execs who tried to trump up a non-problem and justify their existence. Think about how ridiculous the claim was - all Ford transmission for period of 2 or 3 years could supposedly jump out of park. This recall included five completely different transmission (C3, C4, C6, FMX, Jatco), multiple shift lever styles (column, floor, etc.), multiple shifter mechanisms, multiple different car and truck lines (Pinto, Mustang, Maverick, Falcon, Fairlane, Torino, LTD, Thunderbird, F100,etc.., etc., etc.). It was not credible. One more thing...1969 Torino's were not part of the recall....so why did you get label at all? Ed
From: ED on 12 Mar 2010 19:15 huh ????? "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message news:Vt6dnc7j6tBOVgfWnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > > "Ed Maier" <evmaiertakethisout(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:hncoji$3tg$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >> Beats the hell out of the foil warning label Ford sent me to stick on my >> dashboard when my '69 Torino's transmission would jump out of park. > > Did your transmission ever actually junk out of park? And which > transmission did your car actually have - there were three possibilities > for your car - FMX, C4, C6 depending on engine. And which type of shift > mechanism did you have - column or floor? And wasn't it more convenient to > have the label delivered to your home as opposed to forcing you to go to > the dealership to have a worthless / ugly label stuck on your dash? > > I don't understand how some people are willing to assume that the Toyota > problems are bogus and domestic recalls are completely justified. > > Go read the documents on the NHTSA website related to the Ford > transmission "recall"- > > http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/1981/V/RCRIT-81V008-9702.pdf > http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/1981/V/RCONL-81V008-1709.pdf > http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/1981/V/RCDNN-81V008-8294.pdf > > NHTSA never actually determined there was a problem, that could be > addressed by a recall but in an effort to justify the millions spent on > the investigation, NHTSA forced Ford to send out those silly labels. The > sticker recall was actually a tacit admission by NHTSA that there wasn't a > significant problem. Having Ford send out stickers allowed the NHTSA execs > to claim they had won a victory, when in fact, they had only managed to > waste a lot of the Government's and Ford's time and money. It was a sham > recall for a sham problem so as to cover the asses of a bunch of NHTSA > execs who tried to trump up a non-problem and justify their existence. > > Think about how ridiculous the claim was - all Ford transmission for > period of 2 or 3 years could supposedly jump out of park. This recall > included five completely different transmission (C3, C4, C6, FMX, Jatco), > multiple shift lever styles (column, floor, etc.), multiple shifter > mechanisms, multiple different car and truck lines (Pinto, Mustang, > Maverick, Falcon, Fairlane, Torino, LTD, Thunderbird, F100,etc.., etc., > etc.). It was not credible. > > One more thing...1969 Torino's were not part of the recall....so why did > you get label at all? > > Ed
From: Ed Maier on 13 Mar 2010 02:26 On 3/12/2010 5:18 PM, C. E. White wrote: > <snip> > Go read the documents on the NHTSA website related to the Ford > transmission "recall"- > > http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/1981/V/RCRIT-81V008-9702.pdf > <snip> > One more thing...1969 Torino's were not part of the recall....so why did > you get label at all? > > Ed This paragraph is from the above NHTSA document: "Third, because of the Company's desire to eliminate misinformation and misunderstanding on the part of all owners of our products that has resulted from the publicity given the automatic transmission controversy, owners of Ford automatic transmlssion-equipped vehicles built before 1970, whom we can identify, will be sent the same label and a similar letter. These owners, principally of 1967-1969 model year vehicles, will receive the letter shown in Attachment I." Had you read the documents yourself, you would have seen that the '69 Torinos were indeed part of the recall. Ed Maier
From: jim beam on 13 Mar 2010 09:48
On 03/12/2010 11:26 PM, Ed Maier wrote: > On 3/12/2010 5:18 PM, C. E. White wrote: >> > <snip> >> Go read the documents on the NHTSA website related to the Ford >> transmission "recall"- >> >> http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/1981/V/RCRIT-81V008-9702.pdf >> >> > <snip> >> One more thing...1969 Torino's were not part of the recall....so why did >> you get label at all? >> >> Ed > > This paragraph is from the above NHTSA document: > > "Third, because of the Company's desire to eliminate misinformation and > misunderstanding on the part of all owners of our products that has > resulted from the publicity given the automatic transmission > controversy, owners of Ford automatic transmlssion-equipped vehicles > built before 1970, whom we can identify, will be sent the same label and > a similar letter. These owners, principally of 1967-1969 > model year vehicles, will receive the letter shown in Attachment I." > > Had you read the documents yourself, you would have seen that the '69 > Torinos were indeed part of the recall. > > Ed Maier > our astroturfer friend isn't much good unless one of the interns prepares stuff for him. that's why he's got all kinds of misleading frod and gm stats at his fingertips, is a latin scholar, writes long posts in great prose, yet his short [native] posts are those of an ignorant, biased, morally corrupt fool. -- nomina rutrum rutrum |