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From: Ed Maier on 13 Mar 2010 10:03 On 3/12/2010 8:11 AM, Hachiroku wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:56:51 -0600, Ed Maier wrote: > >> ) Beats the hell out of the foil warning label Ford sent me to stick on >> my dashboard when my '69 Torino's transmission would jump out of park. > > My roomate stuck his to our refrigerator... > Don't remember what I did with mine. Couldn't stick it to the dashboard because I traded the Torino in on a new Granada back in 1975, and the label came in the mail several years after that. Ed Maier
From: C. E. White on 14 Mar 2010 14:37 "Ed Maier" <evmaiertakethisout(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hnfent$3b1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 3/12/2010 5:18 PM, C. E. White wrote: >> > <snip> >> Go read the documents on the NHTSA website related to the Ford >> transmission "recall"- >> >> http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Recalls/1981/V/RCRIT-81V008-9702.pdf >> > <snip> >> One more thing...1969 Torino's were not part of the recall....so why did >> you get label at all? >> >> Ed > > This paragraph is from the above NHTSA document: > > "Third, because of the Company's desire to eliminate misinformation and > misunderstanding on the part of all owners of our products that has > resulted from the publicity given the automatic transmission controversy, > owners of Ford automatic transmlssion-equipped vehicles built before 1970, > whom we can identify, will be sent the same label and a similar letter. > These owners, principally of 1967-1969 > model year vehicles, will receive the letter shown in Attachment I." > > Had you read the documents yourself, you would have seen that the '69 > Torinos were indeed part of the recall. > > Ed Maier Thanks for pointing that out. But the '69s were not recalled, Ford just sent them a sticker anyhow. Go check the NHTSA database...http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/recallsearch.cfm. Ed
From: C. E. White on 14 Mar 2010 14:42 "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:D7ednfcPW5hUOAbWnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > our astroturfer friend In no way am I your "friend." No friend would spread the sort of malious BS that you dish out. Ed
From: C. E. White on 15 Mar 2010 09:19 "Ed Maier" <evmaiertakethisout(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hnk4d2$8qe$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > I don't know a lot about automatic transmissions, but I did work > thirty-six years in a plant that made helicopter transmissions. > These are spiral bevel and planetary gear reduction systems mostly, > with a few combining boxes for twin engine models thrown in. No > sector gears, locking pawls for park, etc. > > Don't know what else to tell you to convince you. Probably never > will. > > Be well, amigo. > > Ed Maier I didn't mean to imply that your 1969 Ford transmission didn't jump out of park. Sorry if it came across that way. I was trying to make the point that the 1981 Ford Transmission "Recall" wasn't logical. Assuming the CAS information on the high number of complaints is at least partially true, then it is certain there was something wrong with some Ford transmission and/or shift linkages, but it seems unlikely that every Ford from that era had the same problem when there were five different transmission designs in use in multiple unrelated car / truck lines. Heck, they even "recalled" Couriers with Jatco automatic transmissions. These were trucks built in Japan with Japanese built transmissions and floor shifts. It seems to me that if there had been an identifiable cause, then they could have focused the recall on a particular subset of vehicles, not every sort of Ford with any sort of automatic transmission built for over a decade. And if it truly was a general transmission failure, why didn't they recall other vehicles that used the same or very similar transmissions (for instance some Ramblers used a version of the FMX transmissions). To drag this back to a Toyota related point, NHTSA forcing Toyota to send warning labels to owners of all Toyotas built since 2000 that warns them the cars might not slow down properly would be roughly equivalent to the 1981 Ford Label Recall. In both cases there appears to be evidence of some sort of ill defined concern that is generating a lot of media attention. NHTSA feels pressure to do something, but can't really figure out what to do. Maybe they'll have Toyota send out labels. Ed
From: jim beam on 15 Mar 2010 10:16
On 03/15/2010 06:19 AM, C. E. White wrote: > "Ed Maier"<evmaiertakethisout(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:hnk4d2$8qe$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >> I don't know a lot about automatic transmissions, but I did work >> thirty-six years in a plant that made helicopter transmissions. >> These are spiral bevel and planetary gear reduction systems mostly, >> with a few combining boxes for twin engine models thrown in. No >> sector gears, locking pawls for park, etc. >> >> Don't know what else to tell you to convince you. Probably never >> will. >> >> Be well, amigo. >> >> Ed Maier > > I didn't mean to imply that your 1969 Ford transmission didn't jump > out of park. Sorry if it came across that way. I was trying to make > the point that the 1981 Ford Transmission "Recall" wasn't logical. > Assuming the CAS information on the high number of complaints is at > least partially true, then it is certain there was something wrong > with some Ford transmission and/or shift linkages, but it seems > unlikely that every Ford from that era had the same problem when there > were five different transmission designs in use in multiple unrelated > car / truck lines. Heck, they even "recalled" Couriers with Jatco > automatic transmissions. These were trucks built in Japan with > Japanese built transmissions and floor shifts. It seems to me that if > there had been an identifiable cause, then they could have focused the > recall on a particular subset of vehicles, not every sort of Ford with > any sort of automatic transmission built for over a decade. And if it > truly was a general transmission failure, why didn't they recall other > vehicles that used the same or very similar transmissions (for > instance some Ramblers used a version of the FMX transmissions). > > > > To drag this back to a Toyota related point, NHTSA forcing Toyota to > send warning labels to owners of all Toyotas built since 2000 that > warns them the cars might not slow down properly would be roughly > equivalent to the 1981 Ford Label Recall. In both cases there appears > to be evidence of some sort of ill defined concern that is generating > a lot of media attention. NHTSA feels pressure to do something, but > can't really figure out what to do. Maybe they'll have Toyota send out > labels. > > > > Ed > > that's it - ed the astroturfer is back at work bright and early on a monday morning! the flavor this week [since the political barrage has started to backfire on mid-term candidates] is f.u.d. a slow drip drip drip of fear, uncertainty and doubt. ed, do your moral bankruptcy a favor - go get yourself a real job where you're not driving the g.m. trojan horse of chinese outsourcing into the american economy. thanks. -- nomina rutrum rutrum |