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From: JoeSpareBedroom on 23 Mar 2010 09:30
<dsarvas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:42:54 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>><dsarvas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> Since I bought my "07 Camry, when I push the recirc button to prevent
>>> outside air from flowing into the cabin, it will go off after awhile
>>> and outside air starts to come through. I took it in while it was
>>> under warranty but the first time they told me they didn't have anyone
>>> at the Toyota agency that day who could work on electronics. I took
>>> it back again and they couldn't figure out the source of the problem.
>>> It's an intermittent problem so I understand the difficulty for them
>>> to track it down, but since they couldn't figure it out, I was
>>> surprised they didn't offer to replace the unit since the car was
>>> under warranty. My own fault for not pushing it. I just took the car
>>> in to have a couple recall items fixed and asked that they try again,
>>> but they couldn't identify the source of the problem. Instead, they
>>> recommend I go on a road test with them. But the problem may not
>>> occur for 25, or 50 or who knows how many miles. And even if it did,
>>> what would that tell them? I think they just need confirmation it
>>> really does occur. I can understand that they may not just simply
>>> trust my word so I'm wondering if anyone else out there has the same
>>> problem. Perhaps it goes on far more often than anyone knows,
>>> although if that was the case I would assume they would have had the
>>> answer and a solution in my case.
>>>
>>> Don
>>
>>
>>How are the vents directed while you're waiting to see if recirculate
>>changes its setting? Any chance you're cycling the control through the
>>defrost position? I'm asking because in my 04 Tacoma, recirculate is
>>DEactivated when I switch to defrost. I can REactivate it once the control
>>is on defrost, but the default is for the car to DEactivate that feature
>>because it's a good idea.
>>
>>
> I rarely use the defrost setting since I live in Southern California.
> However, there are those cold days when I do. As I recall, it's not
> always a partciularly cold day that this occurs, but I can't be
> certain. Maybe I start out on a cold morning and leave it in the
> defrost position. However, that's rare. I usually run it for only a
> minute or two with the heat turned up to the max just to defrost the
> windows and turn it back to having the vents flowing from the floor or
> floor/dash. But I'll keep this in mind and I'll be more aware in the
> future what the settings are at the time this occurs or even what the
> settings may have been earlier in that particular drive. I'll also
> try leaving it in the defrost mode next time I drive to see what
> happens.
> Thanks.
>


Does the manual shed any light on the patterns by which the recirc button
works for your car? The feature exists for use in unusual situations which
you notice at the moment you need it, but generally, that situation won't
exist at the exact moment you get in your car next time. For instance, you
might want to use recirculate if you end up behind a vehicle that's spewing
really bad exhaust. That generally will NOT be the situation next time you
start the car.

Because there are climates where using recirc ALL the time is a lousy idea,
it might be set up (in your car) to deactivate next time the car is started.
That's how it SHOULD be.


From: dsarvas on 24 Mar 2010 10:01
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:30:35 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
<newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:

><dsarvas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:4ba8b116.1100696(a)news.west.cox.net...
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:42:54 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>> <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>
>>><dsarvas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4ba78ba8.8753824(a)news.west.cox.net...
>>>> Since I bought my "07 Camry, when I push the recirc button to prevent
>>>> outside air from flowing into the cabin, it will go off after awhile
>>>> and outside air starts to come through. I took it in while it was
>>>> under warranty but the first time they told me they didn't have anyone
>>>> at the Toyota agency that day who could work on electronics. I took
>>>> it back again and they couldn't figure out the source of the problem.
>>>> It's an intermittent problem so I understand the difficulty for them
>>>> to track it down, but since they couldn't figure it out, I was
>>>> surprised they didn't offer to replace the unit since the car was
>>>> under warranty. My own fault for not pushing it. I just took the car
>>>> in to have a couple recall items fixed and asked that they try again,
>>>> but they couldn't identify the source of the problem. Instead, they
>>>> recommend I go on a road test with them. But the problem may not
>>>> occur for 25, or 50 or who knows how many miles. And even if it did,
>>>> what would that tell them? I think they just need confirmation it
>>>> really does occur. I can understand that they may not just simply
>>>> trust my word so I'm wondering if anyone else out there has the same
>>>> problem. Perhaps it goes on far more often than anyone knows,
>>>> although if that was the case I would assume they would have had the
>>>> answer and a solution in my case.
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>How are the vents directed while you're waiting to see if recirculate
>>>changes its setting? Any chance you're cycling the control through the
>>>defrost position? I'm asking because in my 04 Tacoma, recirculate is
>>>DEactivated when I switch to defrost. I can REactivate it once the control
>>>is on defrost, but the default is for the car to DEactivate that feature
>>>because it's a good idea.
>>>
>>>
>> I rarely use the defrost setting since I live in Southern California.
>> However, there are those cold days when I do. As I recall, it's not
>> always a partciularly cold day that this occurs, but I can't be
>> certain. Maybe I start out on a cold morning and leave it in the
>> defrost position. However, that's rare. I usually run it for only a
>> minute or two with the heat turned up to the max just to defrost the
>> windows and turn it back to having the vents flowing from the floor or
>> floor/dash. But I'll keep this in mind and I'll be more aware in the
>> future what the settings are at the time this occurs or even what the
>> settings may have been earlier in that particular drive. I'll also
>> try leaving it in the defrost mode next time I drive to see what
>> happens.
>> Thanks.
>>
>
>
>Does the manual shed any light on the patterns by which the recirc button
>works for your car? The feature exists for use in unusual situations which
>you notice at the moment you need it, but generally, that situation won't
>exist at the exact moment you get in your car next time. For instance, you
>might want to use recirculate if you end up behind a vehicle that's spewing
>really bad exhaust. That generally will NOT be the situation next time you
>start the car.
>
>Because there are climates where using recirc ALL the time is a lousy idea,
>it might be set up (in your car) to deactivate next time the car is started.
>That's how it SHOULD be.
>
>
Driving to work yesterday I turned the setting to defrost and sure
enough the recirc turned off. But that wasn't the problem since the
recirc turns off intermittently even when the defrost is not on - or
at least I'm 99% sure it isn't.

Whenver the recirc turns off, it's always well into my drive. I drive
about 25 miles to work and it occurs maybe half way to work. And it
will happen after driving all that distance without ever touching the
unit at all.

I'll take a look at the manual.

Don

From: dsarvas on 24 Mar 2010 10:05
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:04:57 -0400, "MLD" <MLD(a)verizon.net> wrote:

>
><dsarvas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:4ba78ba8.8753824(a)news.west.cox.net...
>> Since I bought my "07 Camry, when I push the recirc button to prevent
>> outside air from flowing into the cabin, it will go off after awhile
>> and outside air starts to come through. I took it in while it was
>> under warranty but the first time they told me they didn't have anyone
>> at the Toyota agency that day who could work on electronics. I took
>> it back again and they couldn't figure out the source of the problem.
>> It's an intermittent problem so I understand the difficulty for them
>> to track it down, but since they couldn't figure it out, I was
>> surprised they didn't offer to replace the unit since the car was
>> under warranty. My own fault for not pushing it. I just took the car
>> in to have a couple recall items fixed and asked that they try again,
>> but they couldn't identify the source of the problem. Instead, they
>> recommend I go on a road test with them. But the problem may not
>> occur for 25, or 50 or who knows how many miles. And even if it did,
>> what would that tell them? I think they just need confirmation it
>> really does occur. I can understand that they may not just simply
>> trust my word so I'm wondering if anyone else out there has the same
>> problem. Perhaps it goes on far more often than anyone knows,
>> although if that was the case I would assume they would have had the
>> answer and a solution in my case.
>>
>> Don
>The workings of the Recirc function is one that confuses the hell out of me.
>I have an 08 Avalon and for a while thought that the Recirc system had a
>mind of it's own. One of the things that I finally figured out (at least in
>my car) was that it is tied to the outside air temp and the temp setting of
>the heating/AC system. Try this experiment--vary the heat temperature
>setting and watch the Recirc light--at some point it will go from Off to On
>and visa versa as you move the setting up and down.
>Let us know how it works out.
>MLD
>

Tried that experiment, but turning the temperature setting from one
extreme to the other had no effect on the recirc setting. But I only
tried it with the recirc turned on. Just reread your message and you
suggested trying it while recirc is off. I'll try that, but it looks
like the temp control isn't affecting the recirc.

As long as the temperature control doesn't affect the accelerator, I
an live with it. :)

Don

From: JoeSpareBedroom on 24 Mar 2010 10:17
<dsarvas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:30:35 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>><dsarvas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:4ba8b116.1100696(a)news.west.cox.net...
>>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:42:54 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
>>> <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>><dsarvas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4ba78ba8.8753824(a)news.west.cox.net...
>>>>> Since I bought my "07 Camry, when I push the recirc button to prevent
>>>>> outside air from flowing into the cabin, it will go off after awhile
>>>>> and outside air starts to come through. I took it in while it was
>>>>> under warranty but the first time they told me they didn't have anyone
>>>>> at the Toyota agency that day who could work on electronics. I took
>>>>> it back again and they couldn't figure out the source of the problem.
>>>>> It's an intermittent problem so I understand the difficulty for them
>>>>> to track it down, but since they couldn't figure it out, I was
>>>>> surprised they didn't offer to replace the unit since the car was
>>>>> under warranty. My own fault for not pushing it. I just took the car
>>>>> in to have a couple recall items fixed and asked that they try again,
>>>>> but they couldn't identify the source of the problem. Instead, they
>>>>> recommend I go on a road test with them. But the problem may not
>>>>> occur for 25, or 50 or who knows how many miles. And even if it did,
>>>>> what would that tell them? I think they just need confirmation it
>>>>> really does occur. I can understand that they may not just simply
>>>>> trust my word so I'm wondering if anyone else out there has the same
>>>>> problem. Perhaps it goes on far more often than anyone knows,
>>>>> although if that was the case I would assume they would have had the
>>>>> answer and a solution in my case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How are the vents directed while you're waiting to see if recirculate
>>>>changes its setting? Any chance you're cycling the control through the
>>>>defrost position? I'm asking because in my 04 Tacoma, recirculate is
>>>>DEactivated when I switch to defrost. I can REactivate it once the
>>>>control
>>>>is on defrost, but the default is for the car to DEactivate that feature
>>>>because it's a good idea.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I rarely use the defrost setting since I live in Southern California.
>>> However, there are those cold days when I do. As I recall, it's not
>>> always a partciularly cold day that this occurs, but I can't be
>>> certain. Maybe I start out on a cold morning and leave it in the
>>> defrost position. However, that's rare. I usually run it for only a
>>> minute or two with the heat turned up to the max just to defrost the
>>> windows and turn it back to having the vents flowing from the floor or
>>> floor/dash. But I'll keep this in mind and I'll be more aware in the
>>> future what the settings are at the time this occurs or even what the
>>> settings may have been earlier in that particular drive. I'll also
>>> try leaving it in the defrost mode next time I drive to see what
>>> happens.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Does the manual shed any light on the patterns by which the recirc button
>>works for your car? The feature exists for use in unusual situations which
>>you notice at the moment you need it, but generally, that situation won't
>>exist at the exact moment you get in your car next time. For instance, you
>>might want to use recirculate if you end up behind a vehicle that's
>>spewing
>>really bad exhaust. That generally will NOT be the situation next time you
>>start the car.
>>
>>Because there are climates where using recirc ALL the time is a lousy
>>idea,
>>it might be set up (in your car) to deactivate next time the car is
>>started.
>>That's how it SHOULD be.
>>
>>
> Driving to work yesterday I turned the setting to defrost and sure
> enough the recirc turned off. But that wasn't the problem since the
> recirc turns off intermittently even when the defrost is not on - or
> at least I'm 99% sure it isn't.
>
> Whenver the recirc turns off, it's always well into my drive. I drive
> about 25 miles to work and it occurs maybe half way to work. And it
> will happen after driving all that distance without ever touching the
> unit at all.
>
> I'll take a look at the manual.
>
> Don
>

I'm guessing the manual will say that there's a timer involved, based on
your "maybe half way to work" comment. Please report back with your
findings.


From: MLD on 24 Mar 2010 10:41

<dsarvas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:04:57 -0400, "MLD" <MLD(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>><dsarvas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:4ba78ba8.8753824(a)news.west.cox.net...
>>> Since I bought my "07 Camry, when I push the recirc button to prevent
>>> outside air from flowing into the cabin, it will go off after awhile
>>> and outside air starts to come through. I took it in while it was
>>> under warranty but the first time they told me they didn't have anyone
>>> at the Toyota agency that day who could work on electronics. I took
>>> it back again and they couldn't figure out the source of the problem.
>>> It's an intermittent problem so I understand the difficulty for them
>>> to track it down, but since they couldn't figure it out, I was
>>> surprised they didn't offer to replace the unit since the car was
>>> under warranty. My own fault for not pushing it. I just took the car
>>> in to have a couple recall items fixed and asked that they try again,
>>> but they couldn't identify the source of the problem. Instead, they
>>> recommend I go on a road test with them. But the problem may not
>>> occur for 25, or 50 or who knows how many miles. And even if it did,
>>> what would that tell them? I think they just need confirmation it
>>> really does occur. I can understand that they may not just simply
>>> trust my word so I'm wondering if anyone else out there has the same
>>> problem. Perhaps it goes on far more often than anyone knows,
>>> although if that was the case I would assume they would have had the
>>> answer and a solution in my case.
>>>
>>> Don
>>The workings of the Recirc function is one that confuses the hell out of
>>me.
>>I have an 08 Avalon and for a while thought that the Recirc system had a
>>mind of it's own. One of the things that I finally figured out (at least
>>in
>>my car) was that it is tied to the outside air temp and the temp setting
>>of
>>the heating/AC system. Try this experiment--vary the heat temperature
>>setting and watch the Recirc light--at some point it will go from Off to
>>On
>>and visa versa as you move the setting up and down.
>>Let us know how it works out.
>>MLD
>>
>
> Tried that experiment, but turning the temperature setting from one
> extreme to the other had no effect on the recirc setting. But I only
> tried it with the recirc turned on. Just reread your message and you
> suggested trying it while recirc is off. I'll try that, but it looks
> like the temp control isn't affecting the recirc.
>
> As long as the temperature control doesn't affect the accelerator, I
> an live with it. :)
>
> Don
>
One other factor is the inside air temperature--between all of these various
inputs--outside and inside air temperatures and the temperature setting--
there are some combinations that will turn the recirc OFF & ON as the temp
setting is moved up and down. Perhaps your current climate makes it a wash
(doesn't want the recirc off (or on) but when the OAT is cold and or
mid-range I've made the Recirc light go OFF & On about a specific
Temperature setting. Tried asking at the Dealer a while back and got a
blank stare.
How about this one---dash lights vary from dark to light seemingly at
random. Found someone at the dealer who could finally solve this
mystery--With headlights in the ON position and the dimmer switch below the
max setting, the dash lights will go from bright to dark as the car moves
through something like a tunnel or under a large bridge span. Didn't know
it but there is a light sensor on the dash very close to the windshield.
MLD

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