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From: Sanders Kaufman on 17 Mar 2010 17:47
"Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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> No, I'm not, but I'd sure put the odds on doctors' incomes going up faster
> than the rate of inflation over the last 7 years.

You're correct.
A new grad MD in 1990 (20 yrs ago) earned about $100/hr for being on-duty in
the ER and a nurse got about $30/hr.
Today, the rates are still the same.

When the Republicans went deregulation-crazy in the early 90's, the
insurance rates skyrocketed - but wages remained the same.
Then when the Republicans bailed out the insurance companies in the late
90's, the rates skyrocketed again - but wages remained the same.


From: edspyhill01 on 17 Mar 2010 23:04
On Mar 16, 11:31 pm, "Devil's_Advocate" <Devils_Advocate(a)devils_.xyx>
wrote:
> Straight from the New England Journal of Medicine:
>
> http://www.nejmjobs.org/rpt/physician-survey-health-reform-impact.aspx
>
> "Physician Survey: Health Reforms Potential Impact on Physician Supply and
> Quality of Medical Care
>
> Mar. – Apr. 2010
> Key Findings
>
> Physician Support of Health Reform in General
> •     62.7% of physicians feel that health reform is needed but should be
> implemented in a more targeted, gradual way, as opposed to the sweeping
> overhaul that is in legislation.
>
> Health Reform and Primary Care Physicians
> •     46.3% of primary care physicians (family medicine and internal
> medicine) feel that the passing of health reform will either force them out
> of medicine or make them want to leave medicine."
> _____________________
>

If they leave medicine, where will they find a job? Costa Rica,
Canada, UK, Europe? A guy that was a doctor isn't going to take a
$10.00 an hour job. The small number of jobs available at Wall Street
banks and insurance companies have hundreds of applicants.

America has been killed by corporate greed. The bridge to the middle
class has been blown up.

From: edspyhill01 on 18 Mar 2010 09:23
On Mar 18, 12:26 am, Scott in Florida <Mov...(a)Outa.here> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 00:22:15 -0400, "Sid9" <s...(a)belsouth.net> wrote:
> >More envy of a black man who's smarter than you are,
>
> First if you are talking about Bambi....
>
> He is 1/4 Black
> 1/2 Muslim
> 1/4 White
>
> He is NOT a black man......
>
> and he is NOT smarter than anyone, except maybe the village idiot, and I'm
> not so sure about that.
>
> --
>
> Scott in  Florida

Doofus, "Muslim" is not an ethniciy. Your dumbness knows no bounds.
From: Obveeus on 18 Mar 2010 14:46

"Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bert Hyman" <bert(a)iphouse.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D3E94AC9EEA4VeebleFetzer(a)216.250.188.141...
>> In news:hnra7c$m67$2(a)news.eternal-september.org "Obveeus"
>> <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote:
>>>> If you made this kind of money with the present system you wouldn't
>>>> want it changed either, and these numbers are from 2003, add about
>>>> 20-30% to these amounts.
>>>
>>> Why would you add 20%-30% over a 7 year period? That kind of increase
>>> would assume that the cost of medical care was going up at the same
>>> rate as general inflation.
>>
>> And you're apparently assuming that any increase in the cost of medical
>> care is due to an increase in doctors' incomes.
>
>
> No, I'm not, but I'd sure put the odds on doctors' incomes going up faster
> than the rate of inflation over the last 7 years.

Just to expand upon this with some actual data references for the cost of
medical care personnel I offer this:

From May 2003 to May 2008 the Median hourly wage
(for all occupations) went from $13.53 to $15.57: a 15.1% increase over 5
years. (about 3.02% per year).
(for healthcare Practitioners) went from $21.63 to $27.20: a 25.8%
increase over 5 years. (about 5.15% per year).

I couldn't find data for 2009 and 2010, but if we were to extrapolate from
the 5 year data above to the 7th year using the per year average trend of
the first 5 years we would have:
(for all occupations assuming 3.02% per year) $16.52: a 22.1% increase
over 7 years for the general working public.
(for healthcare Practitioners assuming 5.15% per year) $30.07: a 39.0%
increase over 7 years for workers in medical fields.

May 2003 salary info:
http://www.bls.gov/oes/2003/may/oes_29He.htm

May 2008 salary info:
http://www.bls.gov/oes/2008/may/oes_nat.htm#b29-0000

Individual medical specialty occupational data can also be found on these
pages. Some occupations, such as that of General Practitioner (17.9%) or
Surgeon (8.7%), went up less than the average healthcare percentage (25.8%)
while others, such as Pharmacist (32.1%) and Physical Therapist (26.1%) went
up more over the 5 year period.


From: Devil's_Advocate on 18 Mar 2010 20:13
"Obveeus" <Obveeus(a)aol.com> wrote :

>
> "FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote:
>> If you made this kind of money with the present system you wouldn't
>> want
>> it changed either, and these numbers are from 2003, add about 20-30% to
>> these amounts.
>
> Why would you add 20%-30% over a 7 year period? That kind of increase
> would assume that the cost of medical care was going up at the same rate
> as general inflation. If medical cost increases were in line with
> inflation, I doubt very much that the issue of 'healthcare' would be on
> the front burner for the political parties right now. The problem with
> medical care is that costs are going up *much* faster than inflation.

About double the rate?

Good reason. When someone else pays, demand increases and they keep jacking
up the prices.

Supply & demand.

The market always works. Ignore it at your peril.

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