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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 29 Nov 2009 19:42
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:03:21 +0000, someone(a)some.domain wrote:

> In article <pan.2009.11.28.22.25.22.475778(a)e86.GTS>,
> =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
>>On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 05:49:44 +0000, someone(a)some.domain wrote:
>>
>>>>My Mom has an apartment downstairs. After an amazingly messy divorce I
>>>>took the 'in law' apartment and pretty much pay the bills so my Mom
>>>>lives relatively free. in2dadark likes to spin it the other way...
>>>>
>>>>What I get out of it: parking for my SEVEN cars (moslty beaters and a
>>>>Scion tC) and a heated garage for the Supra. ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ya gots yer priorities strait.
>>
>>Actually, when I first came back here the heated garage was for my '85
>>Hachiroku!
>>
>>http://image.turbomagazine.com/f/9904107/turp_0410_01_z+toyota_corolla_drift_ca
>>r+front_view.jpg
>>
>>http://www.drifting.es/fotos/coches/toyota/corolla/toyota-corolla-levin.jpg
>>
>>(No existing picture of my own...)
>>
>>
>>
> did you break it?

It's a bit worn. 260,000 fun-filled miles, and in New England, sheet metal
just doesn't last much longer than 20 years, even though it only was
driven 1 winter.

It's in my backyard, waiting patiently. But the Supra is getting all the
tme and money...

I have my eye on an '88 Corolla FX that the body is in much better shape,
and a lot of the parts (including the 4A-GE Twin-Cam) can be moved to with
very little effort... ;)



From: E. Meyer on 30 Nov 2009 11:01



On 11/27/09 8:38 AM, in article
8dCdnWrqedf_eZLWnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com, "z(a)tink.net" <z(a)tink.net>
wrote:

> <someone(a)some.domain> wrote in message
> news:%8CPm.279529$Jp1.66565(a)en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
>> In article
>> <d9b14ab6-de86-4e4b-9b0f-b323f98f7409(a)r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>> phaeton <blahbleh666(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This isn't new, either, suggesting that Toyota's troubles may be more
>>>> of a developing pattern than a one-time aberration. Two years ago,
>>>> before two-thirds of Detroit's automakers were tempered by the fires
>>>> of bankruptcy, the editor of the ostensibly "Japanese-loving" Consumer
>>>> Reports apologized to readers for recommending the problem-plagued
>>>> Camry V-6.
>>>>
>>>> He also said the magazine had decided new Toyota models could no
>>>> longer be given the benefit of the doubt -- or its prized
>>>> "recommended" label. And Toyota's V-8 powered Tundra four-wheel drive
>>>> pickup was labeled "unreliable" by the magazine, the unofficial Bible
>>>> to discerning car and truck buyers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I always take everything Consumer Reports says with a grain of salt.
>>
>> yeah, a 50 mile square grain.
>
> I have my own theory about Consumer Reports Ratings, when the ratings are a
> reflection of public response - who responds to the typical survey? Who
> writes letter to the editor? Who calls a corporate complaint/compliment
> line? Those who are not happy. So, in my own little not so humble opinion,
> CR public response ratings are skewed to the negative.
>

That may be true, but every time I have looked up CR's ratings for any car
I've owned over the past 40 years, the problems they predicted have matched
exactly with what I experienced.

From: someone on 30 Nov 2009 19:10
In article <C739488C.1454F%epmeyer50(a)gmail.com>, "E. Meyer" <epmeyer50(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>On 11/27/09 8:38 AM, in article
>8dCdnWrqedf_eZLWnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com, "z(a)tink.net" <z(a)tink.net>
>wrote:
>
>> <someone(a)some.domain> wrote in message
>> news:%8CPm.279529$Jp1.66565(a)en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> In article
>>> <d9b14ab6-de86-4e4b-9b0f-b323f98f7409(a)r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> phaeton <blahbleh666(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This isn't new, either, suggesting that Toyota's troubles may be more
>>>>> of a developing pattern than a one-time aberration. Two years ago,
>>>>> before two-thirds of Detroit's automakers were tempered by the fires
>>>>> of bankruptcy, the editor of the ostensibly "Japanese-loving" Consumer
>>>>> Reports apologized to readers for recommending the problem-plagued
>>>>> Camry V-6.
>>>>>
>>>>> He also said the magazine had decided new Toyota models could no
>>>>> longer be given the benefit of the doubt -- or its prized
>>>>> "recommended" label. And Toyota's V-8 powered Tundra four-wheel drive
>>>>> pickup was labeled "unreliable" by the magazine, the unofficial Bible
>>>>> to discerning car and truck buyers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I always take everything Consumer Reports says with a grain of salt.
>>>
>>> yeah, a 50 mile square grain.
>>
>> I have my own theory about Consumer Reports Ratings, when the ratings are a
>> reflection of public response - who responds to the typical survey? Who
>> writes letter to the editor? Who calls a corporate complaint/compliment
>> line? Those who are not happy. So, in my own little not so humble opinion,
>> CR public response ratings are skewed to the negative.
>>
>
>That may be true, but every time I have looked up CR's ratings for any car
>I've owned over the past 40 years, the problems they predicted have matched
>exactly with what I experienced.
>
yeah, 20/20 hindsight.
while i don't totally disdain them, they are pretty one sided about a lot.
i suppose we could use the better than nothing argument.......
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