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From: in2dadark on 21 Nov 2009 18:10
On Nov 20, 9:58 am, Don Stauffer <stauf...(a)usfamily.net> wrote:
> C. E. White wrote:
>
> > How do they know she "vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes
> > if she diesd in the crash? Sounds like another case of pedal confusion
> > to me.
>
> > Ed
>
> I belong to a Prius discussion group, and a couple of members have had
> strong acceleration when using the resume button on their cruise
> control.  They believe the cruise control may be the problem on several
> models of Toyota.  After using the resume button the cruise control held
> the accelerator way open well after the car reached the previously set
> speed.  The people reporting this were able to turn off the cruise
> control easily enough, and the brakes slowed the car while they were
> turning it off.

I think this could very well be the case. My 2001 camry sometimes
'over does it' when I put it on cruise. I'm not 77 and I haven't been
dealing with GM aggravation all my life so I know what to do.. But it
does get carried away sometimes. She was 77. The car decided it was
her time to go..
From: ben91932 on 22 Nov 2009 15:52

> How do they know she "vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes
> if she diesd in the crash? Sounds like another case of pedal confusion
> to me.
>
> Ed

IIRC, obd2 can store values like brake pressure....
From: Jeff Strickland on 22 Nov 2009 16:40

"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:he62s9$ps2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:f99ee0b9-1313-455e-9d2c-8cb3cbaec320(a)j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>> Alberto, a 77-year-old General Motors Co. retiree from Flint, died in
>> April 2008 after her Camry sped and hit two trees although she
>> "vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes, according to the
>> lawsuit filed in Genesee County Circuit Court by Lilia Alberto, a
>> representative of her estate.
>
> How do they know she "vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes if
> she diesd in the crash? Sounds like another case of pedal confusion to me.
>
> Ed
>



Automobiles, particularly the high-end models, have a black box in them.
They can look at the data stored in the box to see what was happening before
the crash -- sorta like a black box in an airplane.

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/accidents/auto_black_boxes.html
http://www.ecoworld.com/technology/automobile-black-box.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141048,00.html





From: Ray O on 22 Nov 2009 21:33

"ben91932" <benteaches(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>> How do they know she "vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes
>> if she diesd in the crash? Sounds like another case of pedal confusion
>> to me.
>>
>> Ed
>
> IIRC, obd2 can store values like brake pressure....

As Jeff Strickland posted, some vehicles have a separate recording device
that is separate from OBD II. OBD II does not store pedal pressure as most
vehicles do not have a pedal pressure sensor.

BTW, there is another indicator besides discolored brake rotors and black
boxes as to whether the brakes were applied at the time of impact.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: in2dadark on 26 Nov 2009 16:49
On Nov 22, 9:33 pm, "Ray O" <rokig...(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com>
wrote:
> "ben91932" <benteac...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3fcb0f20-2213-4d0e-8228-3640cf49ae5f(a)z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> How do they know she "vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes
> >> if she diesd in the crash? Sounds like another case of pedal confusion
> >> to me.
>
> >> Ed
>
> > IIRC, obd2 can store values like brake pressure....
>
> As Jeff Strickland posted, some vehicles have a separate recording device
> that is separate from OBD II.  OBD II does not store pedal pressure as most
> vehicles do not have a pedal pressure sensor.
>
> BTW, there is another indicator besides discolored brake rotors and black
> boxes as to whether the brakes were applied at the time of impact.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)

And that would be...?
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