From: john on 20 Nov 2009 01:00 Alberto, a 77-year-old General Motors Co. retiree from Flint, died in April 2008 after her Camry sped and hit two trees although she "vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes, according to the lawsuit filed in Genesee County Circuit Court by Lilia Alberto, a representative of her estate. Alberto's Camry had no floor mat on the driver's side, the lawyers said in the lawsuit. Federal regulators and Toyota Motor Corp. are discussing whether the automaker needs to fix gas pedals or floor pans in millions of recalled vehicles instead of blaming floor mats, which the automaker had maintained was the source of unintended acceleration cases. Full article at: http://www.freep.com/article/20091118/BUSINESS01/911180370/Toyota-looking-beyond-the-mats
From: Scott Dorsey on 20 Nov 2009 06:57 john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Alberto, a 77-year-old General Motors Co. retiree from Flint, died in >April 2008 after her Camry sped and hit two trees although she >"vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes, according to the >lawsuit filed in Genesee County Circuit Court by Lilia Alberto, a >representative of her estate. Wait, wait.... this is a GM retiree who owns a Toyota? I don't know WHAT that says but it sure doesn't sound good for the US auto industry. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: C. E. White on 20 Nov 2009 07:39 "john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:f99ee0b9-1313-455e-9d2c-8cb3cbaec320(a)j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > Alberto, a 77-year-old General Motors Co. retiree from Flint, died > in > April 2008 after her Camry sped and hit two trees although she > "vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes, according to the > lawsuit filed in Genesee County Circuit Court by Lilia Alberto, a > representative of her estate. How do they know she "vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes if she diesd in the crash? Sounds like another case of pedal confusion to me. Ed > > Alberto's Camry had no floor mat on the driver's side, the lawyers > said in the lawsuit. > > Federal regulators and Toyota Motor Corp. are discussing whether the > automaker needs to fix gas pedals or floor pans in millions of > recalled vehicles instead of blaming floor mats, which the automaker > had maintained was the source of unintended acceleration cases. > > Full article at: > http://www.freep.com/article/20091118/BUSINESS01/911180370/Toyota-looking-beyond-the-mats
From: Vic Smith on 20 Nov 2009 07:56 On 20 Nov 2009 06:57:06 -0500, kludge(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>Alberto, a 77-year-old General Motors Co. retiree from Flint, died in >>April 2008 after her Camry sped and hit two trees although she >>"vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes, according to the >>lawsuit filed in Genesee County Circuit Court by Lilia Alberto, a >>representative of her estate. > >Wait, wait.... this is a GM retiree who owns a Toyota? >I don't know WHAT that says but it sure doesn't sound good for the >US auto industry. The "poetic justice" part didn't do too well for her either. Karma with a vengeance. --Vic
From: jim on 20 Nov 2009 09:40 "C. E. White" wrote: > > "john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:f99ee0b9-1313-455e-9d2c-8cb3cbaec320(a)j9g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > > Alberto, a 77-year-old General Motors Co. retiree from Flint, died > > in > > April 2008 after her Camry sped and hit two trees although she > > "vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes, according to the > > lawsuit filed in Genesee County Circuit Court by Lilia Alberto, a > > representative of her estate. > > How do they know she "vigorously and desperately" applied her brakes > if she diesd in the crash? Sounds like another case of pedal confusion > to me. I would think it would be fairly easy to tell if the pads and rotors had been heated beyond the point where they no longer can stop the vehicle. This is something that has been observed in vehicles (usually trucks) that have brake failure on long steep downhill grades. If the rotors have turned blue I'd say that is pretty good evidence the brakes were applied vigorously and desperately. -jim > > Ed > > > > > Alberto's Camry had no floor mat on the driver's side, the lawyers > > said in the lawsuit. > > > > Federal regulators and Toyota Motor Corp. are discussing whether the > > automaker needs to fix gas pedals or floor pans in millions of > > recalled vehicles instead of blaming floor mats, which the automaker > > had maintained was the source of unintended acceleration cases. > > > > Full article at: > > http://www.freep.com/article/20091118/BUSINESS01/911180370/Toyota-looking-beyond-the-mats
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