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From: Jeff Strickland on 12 Sep 2009 21:30

"matrixxxx09" <matrixxxx09(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wow. Nice leap(s). Not to mention the just-plain-wrongness of it.
>
> A little something for your viewing pleasure.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0
>
> Fear. That's all. Fear is torture.

If you say so.

Anyway, according to the an on the video, people can only stand an
average of 18 seconds of fear. Interesting.



<JS>
183 times, that's the interesting part.


</JS>





From: matrixxx09 on 12 Sep 2009 21:32
On Sep 12, 9:30 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> "matrixxxx09" <matrixxx...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:eef70f55-b101-40e4-935f-50659743a4dd(a)p9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Wow. Nice leap(s). Not to mention the just-plain-wrongness of it.
>
> > A little something for your viewing pleasure.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0
>
> > Fear. That's all. Fear is torture.
>
> If you say so.
>
> Anyway, according to the an on the video, people can only stand an
> average of 18 seconds of fear.  Interesting.
>
> <JS>
> 183 times, that's the interesting part.
>
> </JS>

It didn't sound like you could have paid him enough for ONE more, let
alone 182 more.

See you next week.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 12 Sep 2009 23:53
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:23:14 -0700, matrixxxx09 wrote:

>> Another one out of Jeff field.  By the way, what was all that random
>> Abu Ghraib stuff about?
>>
>> <JS>
>> More torture.
>>
>> </JS>
>
> No, I meant why do you keep insisting I was here calling the Abu Ghraib
> situation torture, when I was...you know...NOT doing that, or even saying
> ANYTHING about Abu Ghraib for that matter?


Abu Grahib was an aborration, and hopefully those people are in jail. I
believe they are.

There is a difference between fear/torture to gather vital information,
and humiliation for the sake of humiliation.

That is one thing we are *supposed* to be above. Total bullshit.


From: matrixxx09 on 13 Sep 2009 09:10
On Sep 12, 10:07 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> "matrixxx09" <matrixx...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:65792fbf-b167-4d61-815b-80405dd39c5e(a)e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Anyway, according to the an on the video, people can only stand an
> > average of 18 seconds of fear. Interesting.
>
> Sorry, the Sergeant said 14 seconds.  I wonder how often they need the
> 'puke bucket'...I assume to catch all the fear so it doesn't get on
> the floor.

>
> <JS>
> Why does it matter what gets on the floor,

Because the need for a bucket calls into question your claim that
waterboarding is manipulating only fear. Actually, that is a
prerequisite for your silly little logic game where you tried to show
that *I* said "fear is torture" when in fact I said no such thing.

This ringing a bell?

So, Jeff, what could possibly get on the floor, that is, why is a
bucket needed, when fear is the only thing in play?

Also, why do people only last 14 seconds on average if only fear a
factor?

Answer those and then we'll move on.
From: Mike on 12 Sep 2009 18:20
Get real! You obviously were never on the field of battle, we did not kill
them. Sending people into a crowd with a bomb strapped to their chest and
cutting off a person hands or their head is torture, what we did was Childs
play in comparison.



"matrixxx09" <matrixxx09(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 12, 4:25 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> "matrixxx09" <matrixx...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2fa3bf37-abc4-40c9-b665-9105a4e83182(a)b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > ...how long did Hannity last in his bid to prove it's not torture? 30
> > seconds? A minute?
>
> > I hope he at least lasted longer than Mancow. Remember what happened
> > when that douche set out to prove waterboarding wasn't torture?
> > Whoops.
>
> 3 (three) people were waterboarded. Get over it. We had more of our guys
> than that beheaded. At least the waterboarded guys lived to tell how bad
> the
> experience was.

Yes, they are worse than us.

But I wish we were still as good as we used to be.

We definitely lost much of the 'moral high ground' we used to have.
Many people see it this way: you're a country that tortures, or
you're a country that doesn't torture.

We're a country that tortures.

Saying that we did it with the intentions of making ourselves safer,
or that we didn't do it that much, doesn't change the fact that we're
a country that tortures.


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