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From: ByTor on 12 Sep 2009 17:01
In article <h8h1on$4i0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com says...
>
> "ByTor" <ByTor(a)snowdog.com> wrote in message
> news:005a193c$0$24575$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
> > In article <h8h03u$n82$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> > crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com says...
> >>
> >> "matrixxx09" <matrixxx09(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:2fa3bf37-abc4-40c9-b665-9105a4e83182(a)b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> >> > ...how long did Hannity last in his bid to prove it's not torture? 30
> >> > seconds? A minute?
> >> >
> >> > I hope he at least lasted longer than Mancow. Remember what happened
> >> > when that douche set out to prove waterboarding wasn't torture?
> >> > Whoops.
> >>
> >>
> >> 3 (three) people were waterboarded. Get over it. We had more of our guys
> >> than that beheaded. At least the waterboarded guys lived to tell how bad
> >> the
> >> experience was.
> >
> > EXCELLENT POINT Jeff!!!!
> >
> > But of course agreeing with that I will be accused of being un-american
> > because of what our "core" values as Americans is supposed to be.
>
>
> Our core values are to walk softly but carry a big stick.
>
> We are fighting an enemy that ignores all rules of warfare -- they hide
> amongst the civilian populations, they fire from sanctuaries, they attack
> innocent civilians, they do not wear a uniform, etc., etc., etc. -- yet the
> liberals insist on giving them the same benefits as those that do observe
> the recognized rules of warfare.
>
> Would you prefer we take no prisoners?

Maybe my reply was misunderstood? I was agreeing with the comparison you
made. I have no issue with these pricks being tortured, as I've said I'm
sure I will be accused of something agreeing to that point.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 12 Sep 2009 17:03
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:00:48 -0700, matrixxx09 wrote:

> ...how long did Hannity last in his bid to prove it's not torture? 30
> seconds? A minute?
>
> I hope he at least lasted longer than Mancow. Remember what happened when
> that douche set out to prove waterboarding wasn't torture? Whoops.

I thought you meant MADDOW. I'd PAY to see that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0



From: Jeff Strickland on 12 Sep 2009 17:14

"ByTor" <ByTor(a)snowdog.com> wrote in message
news:005a1dee$0$24575$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
> In article <h8h1on$4i0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com says...
>>
>> "ByTor" <ByTor(a)snowdog.com> wrote in message
>> news:005a193c$0$24575$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>> > In article <h8h03u$n82$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
>> > crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com says...
>> >>
>> >> "matrixxx09" <matrixxx09(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:2fa3bf37-abc4-40c9-b665-9105a4e83182(a)b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > ...how long did Hannity last in his bid to prove it's not torture?
>> >> > 30
>> >> > seconds? A minute?
>> >> >
>> >> > I hope he at least lasted longer than Mancow. Remember what
>> >> > happened
>> >> > when that douche set out to prove waterboarding wasn't torture?
>> >> > Whoops.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 3 (three) people were waterboarded. Get over it. We had more of our
>> >> guys
>> >> than that beheaded. At least the waterboarded guys lived to tell how
>> >> bad
>> >> the
>> >> experience was.
>> >
>> > EXCELLENT POINT Jeff!!!!
>> >
>> > But of course agreeing with that I will be accused of being un-american
>> > because of what our "core" values as Americans is supposed to be.
>>
>>
>> Our core values are to walk softly but carry a big stick.
>>
>> We are fighting an enemy that ignores all rules of warfare -- they hide
>> amongst the civilian populations, they fire from sanctuaries, they attack
>> innocent civilians, they do not wear a uniform, etc., etc., etc. -- yet
>> the
>> liberals insist on giving them the same benefits as those that do observe
>> the recognized rules of warfare.
>>
>> Would you prefer we take no prisoners?
>
> Maybe my reply was misunderstood? I was agreeing with the comparison you
> made. I have no issue with these pricks being tortured, as I've said I'm
> sure I will be accused of something agreeing to that point.


I was making a pre-emptive strike at those who would decry your supposed
departure from the Core Values.

Your core values are fine. The whiners are the ones that could stand to look
at their core values.







From: matrixxx09 on 12 Sep 2009 17:37
On Sep 12, 4:25 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> "matrixxx09" <matrixx...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2fa3bf37-abc4-40c9-b665-9105a4e83182(a)b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > ...how long did Hannity last in his bid to prove it's not torture?  30
> > seconds?  A minute?
>
> > I hope he at least lasted longer than Mancow.  Remember what happened
> > when that douche set out to prove waterboarding wasn't torture?
> > Whoops.
>
> 3 (three) people were waterboarded. Get over it. We had more of our guys
> than that beheaded. At least the waterboarded guys lived to tell how bad the
> experience was.

Yes, they are worse than us.

But I wish we were still as good as we used to be.

We definitely lost much of the 'moral high ground' we used to have.
Many people see it this way: you're a country that tortures, or
you're a country that doesn't torture.

We're a country that tortures.

Saying that we did it with the intentions of making ourselves safer,
or that we didn't do it that much, doesn't change the fact that we're
a country that tortures.

From: ByTor on 12 Sep 2009 17:44
In article <h8h309$dpk$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com says...
>
> "ByTor" <ByTor(a)snowdog.com> wrote in message
> news:005a1dee$0$24575$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
> > In article <h8h1on$4i0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> > crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com says...
> >>
> >> "ByTor" <ByTor(a)snowdog.com> wrote in message
> >> news:005a193c$0$24575$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
> >> > In article <h8h03u$n82$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> > crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> "matrixxx09" <matrixxx09(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:2fa3bf37-abc4-40c9-b665-9105a4e83182(a)b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> > ...how long did Hannity last in his bid to prove it's not torture?
> >> >> > 30
> >> >> > seconds? A minute?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I hope he at least lasted longer than Mancow. Remember what
> >> >> > happened
> >> >> > when that douche set out to prove waterboarding wasn't torture?
> >> >> > Whoops.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 3 (three) people were waterboarded. Get over it. We had more of our
> >> >> guys
> >> >> than that beheaded. At least the waterboarded guys lived to tell how
> >> >> bad
> >> >> the
> >> >> experience was.
> >> >
> >> > EXCELLENT POINT Jeff!!!!
> >> >
> >> > But of course agreeing with that I will be accused of being un-american
> >> > because of what our "core" values as Americans is supposed to be.
> >>
> >>
> >> Our core values are to walk softly but carry a big stick.
> >>
> >> We are fighting an enemy that ignores all rules of warfare -- they hide
> >> amongst the civilian populations, they fire from sanctuaries, they attack
> >> innocent civilians, they do not wear a uniform, etc., etc., etc. -- yet
> >> the
> >> liberals insist on giving them the same benefits as those that do observe
> >> the recognized rules of warfare.
> >>
> >> Would you prefer we take no prisoners?
> >
> > Maybe my reply was misunderstood? I was agreeing with the comparison you
> > made. I have no issue with these pricks being tortured, as I've said I'm
> > sure I will be accused of something agreeing to that point.
>
>
> I was making a pre-emptive strike at those who would decry your supposed
> departure from the Core Values.
>
> Your core values are fine. The whiners are the ones that could stand to look
> at their core values.

Ak ok.....thanks for clarifying......;0)
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