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From: edspyhill01 on 12 Mar 2010 15:45 On Mar 12, 9:13 am, Hachiroku <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:10:41 -0800, edspyhill01 wrote: > > On Mar 11, 10:53 pm, Hachiroku ããã㯠<Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >> Just "deem" it passed, of course! > > >> The Democrats in 'power' now are just too unbelievable! > > > You don't mean the use of reconciliation, used by Bush and the > > repugnicans to pass tax cuts for the rich, Medicare Advantage, and > > prescription drug plan that outlawed negotiating prescription drug > > prices?  All of which were not paid for? > > You need to keep up. Google "Slaughter rule" > > Nothing at all like reconciliation. Your rights and your voice are being > yanked out from under you and you still cheer. > > This is REALLY sad. So did the same thing happen when the repugnicans did the same thing 3 times?
From: edspyhill01 on 12 Mar 2010 15:54 On Mar 12, 1:30 pm, "Uncle_vito" <uncle_vito2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Actually, I heard that in the past when reconciliation was used, both > Democrats and Republicans were for the bill, although they couldn't get a > majority the 'regular' way. > > Vito > > "edspyhill01" <edspyhil...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:b48a0176-f8e7-4015-bf1d-487a2fe83cb7(a)c16g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Mar 11, 10:53 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >> Just "deem" it passed, of course! > > >> The Democrats in 'power' now are just too unbelievable! > > > You don't mean the use of reconciliation, used by Bush and the > > repugnicans to pass tax cuts for the rich, Medicare Advantage, and > > prescription drug plan that outlawed negotiating prescription drug > > prices? All of which were not paid for?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Repugnican reconciliations during the Cheney presidency. - The 2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01] - The 2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03] - Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06] - The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05] GOP Senators Who Used Budget Reconciliation To Pass Bush Agenda Items Now Calling It $B!F(BChicago Style Politics$B!G(B Today, Politico reported that Republican senators are prepared to go $B!H(Bnuclear$B!I(B $B!=(B essentially shutting down the Senate through the use of parliamentary maneuvers $B!=(B if President Obama attempts to use budget reconciliation to pass key parts of his legislative agenda, such as health care reform and cap-and-trade. Reconciliation allows some legislation to be protected from filibusters and passed by a simple majority. On NPR this morning, Sen. Kit Bond (R-MO) repeated a now familiar attack on budget reconciliation: BOND: $B!H(BIn this post-partisan time of Barack Obama, we$B!G(Bre seeing a little Chicago politics. They steamroller those who disagree with them, then, I guess in Chicago, they coat them in cement and drop them in the river.$B!I(B [NPR, 3/24/09] Bond appears to be parroting his colleague Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH), who said any use of budget reconciliation by President Obama would be $B!H(Bregarded as an act of violence$B!I(B against Republicans, and likened it to $B!H(Brunning over the minority, putting them in cement and throwing them in the Chicago River.$B!I(B Other GOP senators have chimed in against reconciliation, with Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) calling it a $B!H(Bpurely partisan exercise$B!I(B and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) saying it $B!H(Bwould be a mess.$B!I(B Despite their howls against Obama, Republicans employed the same procedure to pass major Bush agenda items (which were supported by all four aforementioned Senators): - The 2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01] - The 2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03] - Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06] - The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05] As ThinkProgress has noted, Gregg defended using the reconciliation procedure to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for domestic drilling in 2005, arguing, $B!H(BThe president asked for it, and we$B!G(Bre trying to do what the president asked for.$B!I(B Evidently, Gregg has lost the same sense of patriotic duty. While Republicans seem to be experiencing a particular form of political amnesia from the Bush years, they ought to be reminded that budget reconciliation has been used by several other presidents, including Clinton and Reagan. In fact, Republicans $B!=(B with Bond and Gregg among the leaders of the charge $B!=(B were instrumental in pushing through key provisions of their signature legislative agenda, the Contract with America, using budget reconciliation. A list of instances where reconciliation was implemented: Omnibus Reconciliation Act of 1980 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1982 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1983 Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1989 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 Balanced Budget Act of 1995 (vetoed) Personal Responsibility and Budget Reconciliation Act of 1996 Balanced Budget Act of 1997 Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 Taxpayer Refund and Relief Act of 1999 (vetoed) Marriage Tax Relief Act of 2000 (vetoed) Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 12 Mar 2010 16:33 On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:54:58 -0800, edspyhill01 wrote: >> > You don't mean the use of reconciliation, used by Bush and the >> > repugnicans to pass tax cuts for the rich, Medicare Advantage, and >> > prescription drug plan that outlawed negotiating prescription drug >> > prices? All of which were not paid for?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Repugnican reconciliations during the Cheney presidency. > > - The 2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01] - The 2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR > 2, 3/23/03] - Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR > 4297, 5/11/06] > - The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05] > > > GOP Senators Who Used Budget Reconciliation We are NOT Talking Reconcilition here! THis is a new "rule" thought up by the Congresswoman with the constituent who wears her dead sister's teeth. Slaughter. THis would BYPASS ANY kind of a vote or Reconciliation! Congress should NOT have the power to pass a bill because the Speaker says so! If the Republican tried this kind of bullshit you'd be howling at the m00n!
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 12 Mar 2010 16:36 On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:45:44 -0800, edspyhill01 wrote: > On Mar 12, 9:13 am, Hachiroku <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:10:41 -0800, edspyhill01 wrote: >> > On Mar 11, 10:53 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> >> Just "deem" it passed, of course! >> >> >> The Democrats in 'power' now are just too unbelievable! >> >> > You don't mean the use of reconciliation, used by Bush and the >> > repugnicans to pass tax cuts for the rich, Medicare Advantage, and >> > prescription drug plan that outlawed negotiating prescription drug >> > prices? All of which were not paid for? >> >> You need to keep up. Google "Slaughter rule" >> >> Nothing at all like reconciliation. Your rights and your voice are being >> yanked out from under you and you still cheer. >> >> This is REALLY sad. > > So did the same thing happen when the repugnicans did the same thing 3 > times? Goddammit! this is NOT RECONCILIATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a total subversion of the system! The Speaker of the House would have the power to call a bill passed merely because She Says So! It is WRONG and is NOT what the Constitution called for! This is the same as the President saying, "I want *this* and I said so, so it is law." This is NOT what we have Representative government for.
From: edspyhill01 on 12 Mar 2010 22:56
On Mar 12, 4:36 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:45:44 -0800, edspyhill01 wrote: > > On Mar 12, 9:13 am, Hachiroku <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:10:41 -0800, edspyhill01 wrote: > >> > On Mar 11, 10:53 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >> >> Just "deem" it passed, of course! > > >> >> The Democrats in 'power' now are just too unbelievable! > > >> > You don't mean the use of reconciliation, used by Bush and the > >> > repugnicans to pass tax cuts for the rich, Medicare Advantage, and > >> > prescription drug plan that outlawed negotiating prescription drug > >> > prices? All of which were not paid for? > > >> You need to keep up. Google "Slaughter rule" > > >> Nothing at all like reconciliation. Your rights and your voice are being > >> yanked out from under you and you still cheer. > > >> This is REALLY sad. > > > So did the same thing happen when the repugnicans did the same thing 3 > > times? > > Goddammit! this is NOT RECONCILIATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > This is a total subversion of the system! The Speaker of the House would > have the power to call a bill passed merely because She Says So! > > It is WRONG and is NOT what the Constitution called for! > > This is the same as the President saying, "I want *this* and I said so, so > it is law." > > This is NOT what we have Representative government for.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - So, again I ask you, did the repugnicans and Bush/Cheney subverted the Constitution when they used Reconciliation to: - The 2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01] - The 2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03] - Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06] - The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05] |