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From: Ray O on 10 Dec 2009 14:55

"JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> "Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in
>> message news:4b20b0c7$0$5340$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net...
>>> I'm reading up on the stuff again. I get frustrated every time I do
>>> this. Everytime I tell myself there must be a blank and white answer but
>>> I haven't found it yet. Actually it seems to be more a question of red,
>>> pink, orange, blue.......
>>> Zerex
>>> This indicates their Dex-cool is OK and is plenty good enough for a
>>> Toyota?
>>> http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/Zerex_CoolantChart.pdf
>>> I can't find any where on Pestone's web site that says anything about
>>> what would be specific for Toyota.
>>> http://www.prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php
>>> Peak, why don't they list Toyota or Honda?
>>> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peak_global_lifetime.html
>>> This can go on and on, seems none of the antifreeze makers will
>>> actually come out and say our stuff is approved by Toyota for Toyotas.
>>> What's going on? Is there something that keeps them being able to
>>> specifically list the asian car makers ?
>>> All I want to do is go to walmart and get a jug of the stuff and know
>>> that it won't mess up my car. Is there something special about Toyota
>>> antifreeze that justifies the higher price? If there is, what is it?
>>>
>>
>> I've heard horror stories about Dex-Cool, and while I have no idea
>> whether they are true or not, with so many choices available, I would
>> choose something else.
>>
>> I assume that your car is not using much coolant, so why not use genuine
>> Toyota red Long Life Coolant or pink Supre Long Life Coolant? The Toyota
>> stuff is silicate-free (as some other brands are) and is definitely
>> compatible with your car's cooling system. If there is a $10/gallon
>> price difference, you would be talking less than $1 per month if you
>> replace the coolant every 2 years.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>
>
>
> That made way too much sense, Ray.
>

I try ;-)
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: Ray O on 10 Dec 2009 15:19

"FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in
message news:4b214dc9$0$5322$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net...
> Ray O wrote:
>> "FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in
>> message news:4b20b0c7$0$5340$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net...
>>> I'm reading up on the stuff again. I get frustrated every time I do
>>> this. Everytime I tell myself there must be a blank and white answer but
>>> I haven't found it yet. Actually it seems to be more a question of red,
>>> pink, orange, blue.......
>>> Zerex
>>> This indicates their Dex-cool is OK and is plenty good enough for a
>>> Toyota?
>>> http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/Zerex_CoolantChart.pdf
>>> I can't find any where on Pestone's web site that says anything about
>>> what would be specific for Toyota.
>>> http://www.prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php
>>> Peak, why don't they list Toyota or Honda?
>>> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peak_global_lifetime.html
>>> This can go on and on, seems none of the antifreeze makers will
>>> actually come out and say our stuff is approved by Toyota for Toyotas.
>>> What's going on? Is there something that keeps them being able to
>>> specifically list the asian car makers ?
>>> All I want to do is go to walmart and get a jug of the stuff and know
>>> that it won't mess up my car. Is there something special about Toyota
>>> antifreeze that justifies the higher price? If there is, what is it?
>>>
>>
>> I've heard horror stories about Dex-Cool, and while I have no idea
>> whether they are true or not, with so many choices available, I would
>> choose something else.
>>
>> I assume that your car is not using much coolant, so why not use genuine
>> Toyota red Long Life Coolant or pink Supre Long Life Coolant? The Toyota
>> stuff is silicate-free (as some other brands are) and is definitely
>> compatible with your car's cooling system. If there is a $10/gallon
>> price difference, you would be talking less than $1 per month if you
>> replace the coolant every 2 years.
>
> There is an old saying once poor always poor, that's me. I can afford
> the genuine Toyota stuff but gosh, there was a time when things weren't so
> easy and I'm stuck in those times when it comes to things like this. And
> then theres Murpy's Law, the old Toyota doesn't leak, but just sure as
> hell if I buy the genuine Toyota stuff a hose will break or a something to
> cause all that new antifreeze to wind up on the highway.
> Besides it's the principle of the thing, if we can buy GM Ford and
> Chrysler approved antifreeze at autozone or wally world why isn't there
> some with Toyota approved on the label at these places?

I emphasize with the "once poor" saying, which is why I do most of the work
on our vehicles myself, re-use plastic zip ties by releasing the locking
tab, and use genuine Toyota coolant in our Toyotas. I'm all for using the
cheapest stuff that works well and does the job, but in the case of Toyota
OEM coolant, IMO, it is worth the money.

My experience with green coolant in Toyotas is that it becomes cloudy or
murky
fairly quickly, which means that you need a flush along with the coolant
change.

With genuine Toyota Long Life coolant mixed with distilled water, I extend
the replacement interval to 3 years instead of 2, and the coolant remains
translucent so I don't flush the cooling system. If you mix the coolant
with tap water, you should stick to the 2 year replacement interval. On top
of that, the Toyota formula seems to be kinder to the water pump seals so
the water pump lasts longer before it starts weeping.

Since I'm thrifty, I'd rather pay an extra $10 every 3 years than have to
buy a water pump or radiator.

Toyota generally doesn't approve of or endorse products that they do not
make or sell, or that compete with their own products, and I would imagine
that is the case with most automakers. The coolant makers may claim that
their product is safe to use in Toyotas, but I've found that I've saved
money in the long run by sticking to Toyota OEM coolant.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)



From: C. E. White on 10 Dec 2009 15:32

"FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote
in message news:4b214dc9$0$5322

> Besides it's the principle of the thing, if we can buy GM Ford and
> Chrysler approved antifreeze at autozone or wally world why isn't
> there some with Toyota approved on the label at these places?

It is harder than you think to buy OEM approved anti-freeze at
Autozone or Wal*Mart. At least for Fords, there are at least 5
different recent anti-freeze possibilities: Green (ESE-M97B44-A),
Orange (WSS-M97B44-D - a Dexcool like coolant), Yellow
(WSS-M97B51-A1 - referrred to as Gold), Dark Green (WSS-M97B55-A), and
Green/Yellow (what you get when the service department mixes green and
yellow - not prohibited for newer vehicles, but affects service
interval). It is comical - se
http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/Main/quickref/scuc.pdf .

Now Peak, and Prestone, and whoever will claim they have one product
that works just fine for all these possible Ford coolants. Can you buy
that theory? If it works so good, why doesn't Ford (or Toyota, or
Chrysler, or Nissan) just use that super good stuff instead of going
to all the trouble to hae several different kinds?

For a Toyota, it seems the safest course of action is go to the Toyota
dealer and buy the "right stuff." Ditto for Ford. I suppose I can buy
Dexcool anywhere for a GM product. I have no idea what Chryslers need.

http://www.aa1car.com/library/2004/us120426.htm is interesting and
discusses Universal Coolants....
http://www.imcool.com/articles/antifreeze-coolant/G05-Glysantin.php

Good luck picking the right coolant at Wal*Mart....

Ed



From: larry moe 'n curly on 10 Dec 2009 17:15


Ray O wrote:
>
> I've heard horror stories about Dex-Cool, and while I have no idea whether
> they are true or not, with so many choices available, I would choose
> something else.
>
> I assume that your car is not using much coolant, so why not use genuine
> Toyota red Long Life Coolant or pink Supre Long Life Coolant? The Toyota
> stuff is silicate-free (as some other brands are) and is definitely
> compatible with your car's cooling system. If there is a $10/gallon price
> difference, you would be talking less than $1 per month if you replace the
> coolant every 2 years.

I've been using Dex-cool (silicate-free, phosphate-free) in a 1986
Corolla that I obtained 4-5 years ago, and it's been running in my
1993 Ford Escort 1.9L since the second coolant change. Texaco told me
that switching to Dex-cool required a really clean cooling system,
apparently because it dissolves silicate deposits and turns the
coolant a murky brown-green in a few weeks.

From: FatterDumber& Happier Moe on 11 Dec 2009 08:46
Tegger wrote:
> FatterDumber& Happier Moe <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in
> news:4b20b0c7$0$5340$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net:
>
>> seems none of the antifreeze makers will
>> actually come out and say our stuff is approved by Toyota for Toyotas.
>
>
>
> Because they can't claim that and be 100% sure they're right. Their
> formulations are (ostensibly) one-size-fits-all. Toyota's are narrowly
> specific to Toyota engines only.
>
> Suppose Toyota changes something like their gasket or seal composition?
> Toyota can make sure their compositions and coolants are compatible, but
> aftermarket manufacturers would be playing catch-up. And they have to do a
> lot of guessing.
>
>
>
>> Is there something special about Toyota
>> antifreeze that justifies the higher price? If there is, what is it?
>>
>
>
> That Toyota knows exactly what sort of metals and polymers are in their
> engine and have formulated their coolant to specifically suit those.
> Aftermarket has to guess, AND still make one-size-fit-all.
>
>

I think I discovered the secret ingredient, it's red dye No. 3
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