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From: Ray O on 10 Dec 2009 12:45

"FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in
message news:4b20b0c7$0$5340$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net...
> I'm reading up on the stuff again. I get frustrated every time I do this.
> Everytime I tell myself there must be a blank and white answer but I
> haven't found it yet. Actually it seems to be more a question of red,
> pink, orange, blue.......
> Zerex
> This indicates their Dex-cool is OK and is plenty good enough for a
> Toyota?
> http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/Zerex_CoolantChart.pdf
> I can't find any where on Pestone's web site that says anything about
> what would be specific for Toyota.
> http://www.prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php
> Peak, why don't they list Toyota or Honda?
> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peak_global_lifetime.html
> This can go on and on, seems none of the antifreeze makers will actually
> come out and say our stuff is approved by Toyota for Toyotas.
> What's going on? Is there something that keeps them being able to
> specifically list the asian car makers ?
> All I want to do is go to walmart and get a jug of the stuff and know
> that it won't mess up my car. Is there something special about Toyota
> antifreeze that justifies the higher price? If there is, what is it?
>

I've heard horror stories about Dex-Cool, and while I have no idea whether
they are true or not, with so many choices available, I would choose
something else.

I assume that your car is not using much coolant, so why not use genuine
Toyota red Long Life Coolant or pink Supre Long Life Coolant? The Toyota
stuff is silicate-free (as some other brands are) and is definitely
compatible with your car's cooling system. If there is a $10/gallon price
difference, you would be talking less than $1 per month if you replace the
coolant every 2 years.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)


From: JoeSpareBedroom on 10 Dec 2009 13:40
"Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message
news:hfrcea$unr$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in
> message news:4b20b0c7$0$5340$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net...
>> I'm reading up on the stuff again. I get frustrated every time I do
>> this. Everytime I tell myself there must be a blank and white answer but
>> I haven't found it yet. Actually it seems to be more a question of red,
>> pink, orange, blue.......
>> Zerex
>> This indicates their Dex-cool is OK and is plenty good enough for a
>> Toyota?
>> http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/Zerex_CoolantChart.pdf
>> I can't find any where on Pestone's web site that says anything about
>> what would be specific for Toyota.
>> http://www.prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php
>> Peak, why don't they list Toyota or Honda?
>> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peak_global_lifetime.html
>> This can go on and on, seems none of the antifreeze makers will
>> actually come out and say our stuff is approved by Toyota for Toyotas.
>> What's going on? Is there something that keeps them being able to
>> specifically list the asian car makers ?
>> All I want to do is go to walmart and get a jug of the stuff and know
>> that it won't mess up my car. Is there something special about Toyota
>> antifreeze that justifies the higher price? If there is, what is it?
>>
>
> I've heard horror stories about Dex-Cool, and while I have no idea whether
> they are true or not, with so many choices available, I would choose
> something else.
>
> I assume that your car is not using much coolant, so why not use genuine
> Toyota red Long Life Coolant or pink Supre Long Life Coolant? The Toyota
> stuff is silicate-free (as some other brands are) and is definitely
> compatible with your car's cooling system. If there is a $10/gallon price
> difference, you would be talking less than $1 per month if you replace the
> coolant every 2 years.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>


That made way too much sense, Ray.


From: FatterDumber& Happier Moe on 10 Dec 2009 14:36
Ray O wrote:
> "FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in
> message news:4b20b0c7$0$5340$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net...
>> I'm reading up on the stuff again. I get frustrated every time I do this.
>> Everytime I tell myself there must be a blank and white answer but I
>> haven't found it yet. Actually it seems to be more a question of red,
>> pink, orange, blue.......
>> Zerex
>> This indicates their Dex-cool is OK and is plenty good enough for a
>> Toyota?
>> http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/Zerex_CoolantChart.pdf
>> I can't find any where on Pestone's web site that says anything about
>> what would be specific for Toyota.
>> http://www.prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php
>> Peak, why don't they list Toyota or Honda?
>> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peak_global_lifetime.html
>> This can go on and on, seems none of the antifreeze makers will actually
>> come out and say our stuff is approved by Toyota for Toyotas.
>> What's going on? Is there something that keeps them being able to
>> specifically list the asian car makers ?
>> All I want to do is go to walmart and get a jug of the stuff and know
>> that it won't mess up my car. Is there something special about Toyota
>> antifreeze that justifies the higher price? If there is, what is it?
>>
>
> I've heard horror stories about Dex-Cool, and while I have no idea whether
> they are true or not, with so many choices available, I would choose
> something else.
>
> I assume that your car is not using much coolant, so why not use genuine
> Toyota red Long Life Coolant or pink Supre Long Life Coolant? The Toyota
> stuff is silicate-free (as some other brands are) and is definitely
> compatible with your car's cooling system. If there is a $10/gallon price
> difference, you would be talking less than $1 per month if you replace the
> coolant every 2 years.

There is an old saying once poor always poor, that's me. I can
afford the genuine Toyota stuff but gosh, there was a time when things
weren't so easy and I'm stuck in those times when it comes to things
like this. And then theres Murpy's Law, the old Toyota doesn't leak,
but just sure as hell if I buy the genuine Toyota stuff a hose will
break or a something to cause all that new antifreeze to wind up on the
highway.
Besides it's the principle of the thing, if we can buy GM Ford and
Chrysler approved antifreeze at autozone or wally world why isn't there
some with Toyota approved on the label at these places?
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 10 Dec 2009 14:41
"FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in
message news:4b214dc9$0$5322$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net...
> Ray O wrote:
>> "FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in
>> message news:4b20b0c7$0$5340$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net...
>>> I'm reading up on the stuff again. I get frustrated every time I do
>>> this. Everytime I tell myself there must be a blank and white answer but
>>> I haven't found it yet. Actually it seems to be more a question of red,
>>> pink, orange, blue.......
>>> Zerex
>>> This indicates their Dex-cool is OK and is plenty good enough for a
>>> Toyota?
>>> http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/Zerex_CoolantChart.pdf
>>> I can't find any where on Pestone's web site that says anything about
>>> what would be specific for Toyota.
>>> http://www.prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php
>>> Peak, why don't they list Toyota or Honda?
>>> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/peak_global_lifetime.html
>>> This can go on and on, seems none of the antifreeze makers will
>>> actually come out and say our stuff is approved by Toyota for Toyotas.
>>> What's going on? Is there something that keeps them being able to
>>> specifically list the asian car makers ?
>>> All I want to do is go to walmart and get a jug of the stuff and know
>>> that it won't mess up my car. Is there something special about Toyota
>>> antifreeze that justifies the higher price? If there is, what is it?
>>>
>>
>> I've heard horror stories about Dex-Cool, and while I have no idea
>> whether they are true or not, with so many choices available, I would
>> choose something else.
>>
>> I assume that your car is not using much coolant, so why not use genuine
>> Toyota red Long Life Coolant or pink Supre Long Life Coolant? The Toyota
>> stuff is silicate-free (as some other brands are) and is definitely
>> compatible with your car's cooling system. If there is a $10/gallon
>> price difference, you would be talking less than $1 per month if you
>> replace the coolant every 2 years.
>
> There is an old saying once poor always poor, that's me. I can afford
> the genuine Toyota stuff but gosh, there was a time when things weren't so
> easy and I'm stuck in those times when it comes to things like this. And
> then theres Murpy's Law, the old Toyota doesn't leak, but just sure as
> hell if I buy the genuine Toyota stuff a hose will break or a something to
> cause all that new antifreeze to wind up on the highway.
> Besides it's the principle of the thing, if we can buy GM Ford and
> Chrysler approved antifreeze at autozone or wally world why isn't there
> some with Toyota approved on the label at these places?


Answer: Lawsuits


From: Tegger on 10 Dec 2009 14:51
FatterDumber& Happier Moe <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in
news:4b20b0c7$0$5340$bbae4d71(a)news.suddenlink.net:

> seems none of the antifreeze makers will
> actually come out and say our stuff is approved by Toyota for Toyotas.



Because they can't claim that and be 100% sure they're right. Their
formulations are (ostensibly) one-size-fits-all. Toyota's are narrowly
specific to Toyota engines only.

Suppose Toyota changes something like their gasket or seal composition?
Toyota can make sure their compositions and coolants are compatible, but
aftermarket manufacturers would be playing catch-up. And they have to do a
lot of guessing.



> Is there something special about Toyota
> antifreeze that justifies the higher price? If there is, what is it?
>


That Toyota knows exactly what sort of metals and polymers are in their
engine and have formulated their coolant to specifically suit those.
Aftermarket has to guess, AND still make one-size-fit-all.


--
Tegger

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