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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 29 Jan 2010 08:41
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:17:22 -0500, C. E. White wrote:

> "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:<pan.2010.01.27.18.48.23.513434(a)e86.GTS>...
>> If your VIN begins with JT, you're in good shape. This is only
>> affecting
>> US models.
>
>
> Is this really true? All of the 2010 Highlanders I looked at are made
> in Japan and they are on the recall list. So are 2009-2010 RAV4s. The
> only US/Japan split is see is for Camry's. Otherwise the recall
> affects Toyota produced in Japan, Europe, and the US. Maybe if your
> Camry was made in Japan, it might be true, but it seems they are
> constantly expanding this recall....
>
> http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/toyota-amends-recall-on-potential-153214.aspx?ncid=11092
> http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/toyota/toyota-consumer-safety-advisory-102572.aspx
>
> Ed


I just repeated what Brian Williams said on the NBC Nightly News Wednesday.


From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 29 Jan 2010 08:46
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:19:44 -0800, studio wrote:

> To me it sounds awfully suspicious that Toyota is all-the-sudden doing
> as bad as the big 3.
>
> I would agree with someone who said; "Toyota needs to remember they're
> a car company and not a finance company".


It was bound to happen.
I said something about this years ago.
You make 1.2 million cars a year, with a 1% defect rate. That's 12,000
cars with defects. All of a sudden you have 12 million output per year,
you're now at 120,000 defects. Then you have a situation that comes up
where the same defective part is spread across model lines, be it a bad
accelerator or bad programming, and that's amplified even further.

I had a feeling something like this would happen when I got in a brand new
Camry in 2000, a loaner while my Corolla was being fixed, and the power
window jammed on the way down...

However, I believe you won't see this happen at Toyota again for quite a
while...if ever.


From: dr_jeff on 30 Jan 2010 07:32
studio wrote:
> To me it sounds awfully suspicious that Toyota is all-the-sudden doing
> as bad as the big 3.
>
> I would agree with someone who said; "Toyota needs to remember they're
> a car company and not a finance company".

I think it has a lot more to do with Toyota's very rapid growth.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 30 Jan 2010 11:18
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:32:42 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:

> studio wrote:
>> To me it sounds awfully suspicious that Toyota is all-the-sudden doing
>> as bad as the big 3.
>>
>> I would agree with someone who said; "Toyota needs to remember they're
>> a car company and not a finance company".
>
> I think it has a lot more to do with Toyota's very rapid growth.

I would have to agree 100%.

WHAT?!?!?! I AGREED with Jeff!!???

I was saying exactly the same thing when I was getting my car inspected
this morning. In a effort to become #1, they just plain went too fast.

Er, shoot. Maybe I should rephrase that...


From: dr_jeff on 30 Jan 2010 15:20
Sir F. A. Rien wrote:
> dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> found these unused words:
>
>> studio wrote:
>>> To me it sounds awfully suspicious that Toyota is all-the-sudden doing
>>> as bad as the big 3.
>>>
>>> I would agree with someone who said; "Toyota needs to remember they're
>>> a car company and not a finance company".
>> I think it has a lot more to do with Toyota's very rapid growth.
> Rate of growth ususally results in supply and manufacturing problems, not,
> as may seem in this case, a design problem. Across board in many models,
> cable or FBW, so not linked to something 'temporary'.
>
> I'd be looking at the computer.

Yeah, and it is designing cars and trucks for many different models.

Rapid growth also results in culture problems, which is what Toyota
seems to be suffering from.
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