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From: SMS on 12 Aug 2010 11:59
On 08/08/10 9:16 PM, john wrote:
> "So you think the Chevrolet Volt electric car will cost too much? Tell
> that to the Chevy dealer who has already decided to charge $20,000
> over the sticker price.
>
> That's right. Months before the first Volt lands on a showroom floor,
> there's enough excitement that the dealer -- who earns a living
> calculating what the market will bear -- is charging nearly 50% more
> than General Motors' asking price for the revolutionary car.
>
> If that's any yardstick, the 2011 Volt is drastically underpriced.
> Supply and demand, baby. It's the free enterprise system."
>
> Read more: Mark Phelan: Dealers' extra charge for Volt is simply
> supply and demand | freep.com | Detroit Free Press
> http://www.freep.com/article/20100808/COL14/8080504/1331/business01/Dealers-extra-charge-for-Volt-is-simply-supply-and-demand#ixzz0w4xWT0ce

The Volt would be fairly priced at around $25K. I would not be surprised
to see electric cars with their own ICE powered charger available for
around that price within five years. There's nothing difficult about it.

For under $5000 you can convert a Prius to a plug-in hybrid with about a
30 mile range (but only at lower speeds). It's a rather clever approach,
simply using the additional batteries to charge the factory traction
battery. For $13,000 you can get 40 miles of range up to 52 mph (it
requires a suspension upgrade, included in the price).

Long term, it'd be good to see a modular system where you can choose to
have the trunk full of batteries for sufficent commute range and higher
speed for commuting, while removing the battery packs for more cargo
space for longer trips. The problem with the hybrid Camry is that the
Camry's otherwise cavernous trunk is tiny because of the battery packs.
From: Tom on 12 Aug 2010 12:03


"SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4c641a5b$0$22157$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
> On 08/08/10 9:16 PM, john wrote:
>> "So you think the Chevrolet Volt electric car will cost too much? Tell
>> that to the Chevy dealer who has already decided to charge $20,000
>> over the sticker price.
>>
>> That's right. Months before the first Volt lands on a showroom floor,
>> there's enough excitement that the dealer -- who earns a living
>> calculating what the market will bear -- is charging nearly 50% more
>> than General Motors' asking price for the revolutionary car.
>>
>> If that's any yardstick, the 2011 Volt is drastically underpriced.
>> Supply and demand, baby. It's the free enterprise system."
>>
>> Read more: Mark Phelan: Dealers' extra charge for Volt is simply
>> supply and demand | freep.com | Detroit Free Press
>> http://www.freep.com/article/20100808/COL14/8080504/1331/business01/Dealers-extra-charge-for-Volt-is-simply-supply-and-demand#ixzz0w4xWT0ce
>
> The Volt would be fairly priced at around $25K. I would not be surprised
> to see electric cars with their own ICE powered charger available for
> around that price within five years. There's nothing difficult about it.
>
> For under $5000 you can convert a Prius to a plug-in hybrid with about a
> 30 mile range (but only at lower speeds). It's a rather clever approach,
> simply using the additional batteries to charge the factory traction
> battery. For $13,000 you can get 40 miles of range up to 52 mph (it
> requires a suspension upgrade, included in the price).
>
> Long term, it'd be good to see a modular system where you can choose to
> have the trunk full of batteries for sufficent commute range and higher
> speed for commuting, while removing the battery packs for more cargo space
> for longer trips. The problem with the hybrid Camry is that the Camry's
> otherwise cavernous trunk is tiny because of the battery packs.

another would be car designer without a clue

From: Neo on 13 Aug 2010 08:40
On Aug 9, 12:16 am, john <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> "So you think the Chevrolet Volt electric car will cost too much? Tell
> that to the Chevy dealer who has already decided to charge $20,000
> over the sticker price.
>
> That's right. Months before the first Volt lands on a showroom floor,
> there's enough excitement that the dealer -- who earns a living
> calculating what the market will bear -- is charging nearly 50% more
> than General Motors' asking price for the revolutionary car.
>
> If that's any yardstick, the 2011 Volt is drastically underpriced.
> Supply and demand, baby. It's the free enterprise system."
>
> Read more: Mark Phelan: Dealers' extra charge for Volt is simply
> supply and demand | freep.com | Detroit Free Presshttp://www.freep.com/article/20100808/COL14/8080504/1331/business01/D...


When people start claiming that Chevy Volts
accelerate on their own on the san diego freeway
and the brakes do not work,
I am sure that Chevy dealer will be selling
Chevy Volts far below sticker price... :-)


From: Agnasty Shagnasty on 13 Aug 2010 14:12


"SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4c641a5b$0$22157$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net...
> On 08/08/10 9:16 PM, john wrote:
>> "So you think the Chevrolet Volt electric car will cost too much? Tell
>> that to the Chevy dealer who has already decided to charge $20,000
>> over the sticker price.
>>
>> That's right. Months before the first Volt lands on a showroom floor,
>> there's enough excitement that the dealer -- who earns a living
>> calculating what the market will bear -- is charging nearly 50% more
>> than General Motors' asking price for the revolutionary car.
>>
>> If that's any yardstick, the 2011 Volt is drastically underpriced.
>> Supply and demand, baby. It's the free enterprise system."
>>
>> Read more: Mark Phelan: Dealers' extra charge for Volt is simply
>> supply and demand | freep.com | Detroit Free Press
>> http://www.freep.com/article/20100808/COL14/8080504/1331/business01/Dealers-extra-charge-for-Volt-is-simply-supply-and-demand#ixzz0w4xWT0ce
>
> The Volt would be fairly priced at around $25K. I would not be surprised
> to see electric cars with their own ICE powered charger available for
> around that price within five years. There's nothing difficult about it.
>
> For under $5000 you can convert a Prius to a plug-in hybrid with about a
> 30 mile range (but only at lower speeds). It's a rather clever approach,
> simply using the additional batteries to charge the factory traction
> battery. For $13,000 you can get 40 miles of range up to 52 mph (it
> requires a suspension upgrade, included in the price).
>

For $13,000 you can purchase an extra 4,700+ gallons of gas! The difference
between the extra range would take you 75 years plus to break even. Forget
it.



From: SMS on 13 Aug 2010 14:52
On 13/08/10 11:12 AM, Agnasty Shagnasty wrote:

> For $13,000 you can purchase an extra 4,700+ gallons of gas! The
> difference between the extra range would take you 75 years plus to break
> even. Forget it.

Those purchasing electric cars and hybrids are not doing so based on
economics. Plus you forgot to include the cost of electricity to charge
the batteries.

If Toyota would do a plug-in hybrid version of the Prius with a battery
range of even 20 miles (enough for most around town driving) without
increasing the price of the vehicle, and gasoline went way up in price,
then you might see some economic benefit. The bigger benefit would be a
societal benefit of importing less oil, though not if the electricity
was generated with oil. A nation of plug-in hybrids that are charged by
nuclear and hydro-electric power is what's needed.
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