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From: Ed White on 8 Feb 2010 15:24 On Feb 7, 10:47 am, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:30:47 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > > (Cross postings deleted, automatically) > > > Get real! No manufacturer has ever had any government required > > recall(s) that total as many as are currently being recalled by Toyota. > > Certainly not nearly as many that involve this many deaths and untold > > numbers of injuries > > Really? This is the 5th largest recall of all time. > > Better google Ford Transmission Recall. THey got out of it by sending you > an orange sticker to put on your dash that said "WARNING! This Motor > Vehicle may go from Park to Reverse at anytime without warning. Do not > leave vehicle idling." Your wording is a little off, but the gist is correct. I think it said "apply the parkig brake if you leave your car idling" or something like that. It dfinitely didn't say the cars were prone to jumping out of park. My parents had Fords during that period and I remember the stickers coming in the mail. We tossed them out since we never had any problems with the transmissions jumping out of park and I don't know wanyone else who did either, but I am from a flat part of the country. I assume almost all of your text was copied from the Center for Auto Safety, a trail lawyer sposored site. They have a vested interest in trumping up defects. Just imagine what CAS will have to say about Toyotas.......Get back to me in a year and tell me how fair they treated Toyota over this concern. Then think about fair they were to Ford back in the 80's. I bet if it had been Toyotas that were alleged to jump out of park, you would have been sure it was the Customer's fault. Ed
From: C. E. White on 8 Feb 2010 19:14 "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D197C9CC43D5tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in > news:hkpea5$bf8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> >> "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >> news:Xns9D178DBBAE4DBtegger(a)208.90.168.18... >>> SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in news:4b6d0234$0$1621 >>> $742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net: >>> >>>> It's pretty rare for _any_ >>>> car to not have at least a couple of recalls with the increasing >>>> complexity of vehicles. >>>> >>> >>> >>> The NHTSA currently has 40 "defect" investigations going. >>> >>> 3 cover Toyota. >>> >>> 37 cover other automakers. >> >> This is a creative (Toyota-like) distrotion of the actual facts. >> >> I am not even sure where you are getting the number "40" for >> "investigations going..." > > > > I read it in the paper the other day. That's what the reporter said. It is easy enough to verify that what I am saying is correct. http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Pursuits/2010/INVMTY-012010-1234.pdf Given the state of journalism today, what you read in the paper is about as credible as a Mike Hunter post. Ed
From: Tegger on 8 Feb 2010 20:50 "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in news:QIKdnejs-_9JNe3WnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com: > > http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Pu > rsuits/2010/INVMTY-012010-1234.pdf > > Given the state of journalism today, what you read in the paper is > about as credible as a Mike Hunter post. OK, so I was wrong. FORTY-TWO open investigations, not FORTY. I was off by two. And I limited myself to the term, "automakers", which may or may not have been what the article I read actually said. In actual fact the term should have been, "motor vehicle manufacturers". Except that you've actually made my point /stronger/ with your link. I originally said: 3 cover Toyota. 37 cover other automakers. According to your link, it should actually be: 3 cover Toyota. 39 cover other motor vehicle manufacturers. -- Tegger
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 8 Feb 2010 21:01 On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:18:27 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > > Get real, your opinion that hundreds of people were killed by faulty Ford > transmissions is not true and your post is just another of the YABUT > excuses used to change the subject away from Toyota 5.4 million world wide > recall. My *OPINION* ?!?!?!?! Wow.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 8 Feb 2010 21:03
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:22:24 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > > Perhaps you should have said Ford tyrannies that were not properly placed > in park by their owners, who also failed to set the PARKING brakes <YAWN> Taking Joe's place, are we? Even Ford admitted the transmissions could jump out of park at any time. The 'recalled' the cars by issuing stickers. Wow. I think it was THE BIGGEST and the most dangerous recall of all time, and it was 'fixed' with a sticker for the dashboard. |