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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 7 Feb 2010 23:59 On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:49:52 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: > On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:26:18 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:36:56 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:00:00 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:55:59 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >>>> >>>>> If you did, than I could not drift away, even if you did not properly >>>>> engage the shifter into the PARK position, as was the actual cause. >>>> >>>> >>>>YABUT! >>>> >>>>How could you even forget about the Ford recall for transmissions? They >>>>talked it to death almost as much as the currect Toyota recall. >>>> >>>>However, 'talked to death' is not a good phrase to use. Hundreds were >>>>killed and thousands injured thanks to Ford NOT fixing the >>>>transmissions, but issuing a sticker for the dash instead. >>>> >>>>You want to make such a big deal about the Toyota recall. So far, I >>>>don't think anyone has died yet from the sticking pedal, and Toyota is >>>>fixing the problem. >>> >>> >>> 2500 accidents, 12 deaths, or something like that. >> >>Kinda pales compared with over 300 deaths and thousands of injuries for a >>transmission Ford didn't want to (and DIDN'T) fix... >> >> >> > Do you think that makes the 12 dead people feel any better? Not at all. But Toyota is fixing the problem. Wonder if they could have gotten away with printing 2.3 million stickers...
From: C. E. White on 8 Feb 2010 10:19 "SMS" <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in message news:4b6d0234$0$1621$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > john wrote: >> "Remarkable doesn't begin to describe what's happening to Toyota >> Motor >> Corp. >> >> Its reputation for delivering safe, reliable, quality-engineered >> vehicles is in tatters. > > Actually it isn't. I was listening to an interview today on NPR with > an automotive safety expert. The Toyota recall for accelerator > pedals is only the 5th largest recall, and unlike bigger recalls for > other manufacturers (Ford and GM) it's going to be solved much more > quickly. Ford has the honor of the biggest recall in history. Are you sure? Are you counting the floor mat, pedal reshaping, and pedal control shim as three separate recalls or one? Ford "largest recall in history" is for the stupid cruise control brake switch - which Ford started using becasue of sudden acceleration accusations. I think you probably could break it down into at least four different recalls depending ont he vehicle line since the implementation varied from line to line (some had constant power to the switch, some didn't, some came from the factory with a fuse, some didn't etc.). In the end Ford just recalled them all to make sure no one could complain they were left out (even though there is little evidence there was a problem outside of the initial relatively small batch of bad switches Ford and NHTSA identified 3 or 4 years ago). What Ford did would be the same as Toyota recalling everything they have sold in the US for fifteen years and replacing all the acceleartor pedals, even thought we all know only a few are actually a problem. I think Ford just wanted to make sure the cruise control switch was permanently out of the press. Probably a good move. If Toyota had handled the problem with the accelrator pedals this way in 2007, they probably wouldn't be in the press today. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and admit you screwed up. Ed
From: Tegger on 8 Feb 2010 10:34 "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in news:4b6eca6e$0$23009$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net: > > > Perhaps in the US, but you neglected to point out that Toyota world > wide total number of recalls for their "defects" is 5.4 MILLION, > involving over 20 deaths and an untold number of injuries. > I thought it was 8.1 million. And that "20 deaths" figure has not yet been investigated to determine whether or not these are normal "pedal misapplication" or pedal malfunction. So far, the US governemnt officially recognizes 5 deaths, 4 of them involving a single incident (San Diego cop). And that wasn't even Toyota's fault, but the fault of the cop and the dealer. That leaves 1 death, versus over 42,000 total traffic deaths each year in the US alone. One death is one death too many, but it's hardly an epidemic for which Toyota should be hung from the nearest tree. -- Tegger
From: Clive on 8 Feb 2010 10:48 In message <m3gum5dupa9ihbma5dpjen6bk6kitce5c4(a)4ax.com>, Ashton Crusher <demi(a)moore.net> writes >2500 accidents, 12 deaths, or something like that. Despite the total recall of 8 Toyota models throughout Europe there have only be four accidents sighted and no deaths, and Europe is much denser in population that any part of America that I've ever been to. -- Clive
From: Tegger on 8 Feb 2010 12:15
"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in news:hkpea5$bf8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > > "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message > news:Xns9D178DBBAE4DBtegger(a)208.90.168.18... >> SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in news:4b6d0234$0$1621 >> $742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net: >> >>> It's pretty rare for _any_ >>> car to not have at least a couple of recalls with the increasing >>> complexity of vehicles. >>> >> >> >> The NHTSA currently has 40 "defect" investigations going. >> >> 3 cover Toyota. >> >> 37 cover other automakers. > > This is a creative (Toyota-like) distrotion of the actual facts. > > I am not even sure where you are getting the number "40" for > "investigations going..." I read it in the paper the other day. That's what the reporter said. -- Tegger |