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From: Tegger on 18 Feb 2010 14:03 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in news:hlju6b$lt9$1 @news.eternal-september.org: > > "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message > news:Xns9D235F106E1DBtegger(a)208.90.168.18... >> >> >> Go to your local library and get a library card. The librarians will >> tell >> you how to log on to EBSCO using your library card number. All the >> TSBs you >> could possibly find are there. For free. > > > Does it include the full text of TSBs, or just the titles? I need to > get a library card (or use my sons). > It has the TSBs themselves, and for just about all makes going back to about 1990. I don't know how they do it, but as far as I can see, they're all there. The only ones that may not be there are the very newest ones. They are separated by year, then by make, then by model, then by sub-model (LX, DX, etc). TSBs that are applicable to several models are repeated in the appropriate locations. I checked just now, and it's still there, just like it has been for years. -- Tegger
From: clare on 18 Feb 2010 17:43 On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:46:05 -0500, "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >To me the key line in the Design News article is "Toyota considered it >to be a drivability issue unrelated to safety." Who would claim a >sticking gas pedal is not a safety issue? And, since they knew in 2007 >that these pedals were sticking, or could stick uder some conditions, >why in the heck didn't Toyota change the material sooner? It seem >irresponsible to keep using the same material for 3 years after you >recognize their is a problem. I guess this is a question of the left >hand not knowing what the right hand was doing. If they had spent less >time convincing NHTSA that they didn't need to investigate the >problem, and more time fixing this "drivability issue" [HA HA], then >there wouldn't be any big frenzy now. > >http://www.designnews.com:80/article/print/448825-Poor_Plastic_Selection_Caused_Gas_Pedal_Failures.php > >A neighbor of mine ran his Tacoma into a building last week. See > >http://www.dailyadvance.com/news/driver-stuck-gas-pedal-caused-wreck-15332 > >I think it is interesting how quickly Toyota snatched up the vehicle. >I suppose if I was a Toyota executive I wouldn't want to let it fall >into the hands of some scum sucking lawyer either. No telling what >they might find. Do 2009 Tacomas include a flight recorder function? > >If I had a problem like this, I would not let the manufacturer impound >the vehicle until I had an independent party to look it over and >document the condition of the vehicle. > >Ed > And under the current conditions, if you were Toyota you definitely would NOT allow the vehicle to be "inspected" by anyone else without your people being there and involved. WAY too easy for someone with an agenda to fake the inspection. What needs to be done id to have both an independent party and Toyota investigate co-operatively to determine what the cause REALLY was. With all the information out there today, there is NO EXCUSE for someone having a stuck throttle episode. - defective pedal or not. If the pedal gets stiff/sticky - DON"T DRIVE IT. Not like you have no idea there might be a problem - and not like they stick without warning. They get stiff first.
From: Mike Hunter on 19 Feb 2010 12:40 <clare(a)snyder.on.ca> wrote in message news:qcgrn551nlado8cni9ql0k2n3ca8861rut(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:46:05 -0500, "C. E. White" > <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > >>To me the key line in the Design News article is "Toyota considered it >>to be a drivability issue unrelated to safety." Who would claim a >>sticking gas pedal is not a safety issue? And, since they knew in 2007 >>that these pedals were sticking, or could stick uder some conditions, >>why in the heck didn't Toyota change the material sooner? It seem >>irresponsible to keep using the same material for 3 years after you >>recognize their is a problem. I guess this is a question of the left >>hand not knowing what the right hand was doing. If they had spent less >>time convincing NHTSA that they didn't need to investigate the >>problem, and more time fixing this "drivability issue" [HA HA], then >>there wouldn't be any big frenzy now. >> >>http://www.designnews.com:80/article/print/448825-Poor_Plastic_Selection_Caused_Gas_Pedal_Failures.php >> >>A neighbor of mine ran his Tacoma into a building last week. See >> >>http://www.dailyadvance.com/news/driver-stuck-gas-pedal-caused-wreck-15332 >> >>I think it is interesting how quickly Toyota snatched up the vehicle. >>I suppose if I was a Toyota executive I wouldn't want to let it fall >>into the hands of some scum sucking lawyer either. No telling what >>they might find. Do 2009 Tacomas include a flight recorder function? >> >>If I had a problem like this, I would not let the manufacturer impound >>the vehicle until I had an independent party to look it over and >>document the condition of the vehicle. >> >>Ed >> > And under the current conditions, if you were Toyota you definitely > would NOT allow the vehicle to be "inspected" by anyone else without > your people being there and involved. WAY too easy for someone with an > agenda to fake the inspection. > > What needs to be done id to have both an independent party and Toyota > investigate co-operatively to determine what the cause REALLY was. > > With all the information out there today, there is NO EXCUSE for > someone having a stuck throttle episode. - defective pedal or not. If > the pedal gets stiff/sticky - DON"T DRIVE IT. Not like you have no > idea there might be a problem - and not like they stick without > warning. They get stiff first. >
From: Mike Hunter on 19 Feb 2010 12:40 (Cross posting deleted automatically) "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:l8adnfUjm__ZSeDWnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > On 02/18/2010 02:43 PM, clare(a)snyder.on.ca wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:46:05 -0500, "C. E. White" >> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >> >>> To me the key line in the Design News article is "Toyota considered it >>> to be a drivability issue unrelated to safety." Who would claim a >>> sticking gas pedal is not a safety issue? And, since they knew in 2007 >>> that these pedals were sticking, or could stick uder some conditions, >>> why in the heck didn't Toyota change the material sooner? It seem >>> irresponsible to keep using the same material for 3 years after you >>> recognize their is a problem. I guess this is a question of the left >>> hand not knowing what the right hand was doing. If they had spent less >>> time convincing NHTSA that they didn't need to investigate the >>> problem, and more time fixing this "drivability issue" [HA HA], then >>> there wouldn't be any big frenzy now. >>> >>> http://www.designnews.com:80/article/print/448825-Poor_Plastic_Selection_Caused_Gas_Pedal_Failures.php >>> >>> A neighbor of mine ran his Tacoma into a building last week. See >>> >>> http://www.dailyadvance.com/news/driver-stuck-gas-pedal-caused-wreck-15332 >>> >>> I think it is interesting how quickly Toyota snatched up the vehicle. >>> I suppose if I was a Toyota executive I wouldn't want to let it fall >>> into the hands of some scum sucking lawyer either. No telling what >>> they might find. Do 2009 Tacomas include a flight recorder function? >>> >>> If I had a problem like this, I would not let the manufacturer impound >>> the vehicle until I had an independent party to look it over and >>> document the condition of the vehicle. >>> >>> Ed >>> >> And under the current conditions, if you were Toyota you definitely >> would NOT allow the vehicle to be "inspected" by anyone else without >> your people being there and involved. WAY too easy for someone with an >> agenda to fake the inspection. >> >> What needs to be done id to have both an independent party and Toyota >> investigate co-operatively to determine what the cause REALLY was. >> >> With all the information out there today, there is NO EXCUSE for >> someone having a stuck throttle episode. - defective pedal or not. If >> the pedal gets stiff/sticky - DON"T DRIVE IT. Not like you have no >> idea there might be a problem - and not like they stick without >> warning. They get stiff first. >> > > c'mon dude - our detroit shill wants to lynch him some non-union > employerz. "reason", > "logic" or "facts" aren't going to get in the way of his burning torch, > rope and hood. > > -- > nomina rutrum rutrum
From: Mike Hunter on 19 Feb 2010 12:41
(Cross posting deleted automatically) "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:q4-dnf5CkvjMSODWnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > On 02/18/2010 05:33 AM, C. E. White wrote: >> When are you going to address Toyota's problems? > |