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From: raamman on 2 Feb 2010 00:20 On Feb 1, 8:16 pm, Canuck57 <Canuc...(a)nospam.com> wrote: > On 01/02/2010 12:20 PM, hls wrote: > > > > > > > > > "raamman" <raam...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:a72f462e-9d67-4152-a212- > > > the suplier very firmly stated they made the pedal exactly to > > specification; I have no doubt that this is true > > > ******** > > I have some doubts it is true.. If they had made it exactly to spec, > > then all of them - if they were faulty - should be expected to fail. > > That has not been the case. > > > And if some of the earlier reports are true, the only pedals involved > > come from the ONE manufacturer... > > > What does that suggest to you? > > I am reading the same. Seems like the ones from the US company made in > a CAW plant are the culpret. Other plants apparently make the same > design without issue in Japan.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - PBS news reported the difference in the assembly is between a plastic NA part vs a Japanese metal part- In all fairness, if given the choice, I would initialy choose a plastic part to avoid corrision problems caused by road salt used in NA winters.
From: Mike Hunter on 2 Feb 2010 17:34 Once again our friend Canuck57 is telling us the sky is falling "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:4CM9n.11839$3n2.11119(a)newsfe01.iad... > On 01/02/2010 7:41 PM, Dave wrote: >> >> "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:9%K9n.86634$1m3.6759(a)newsfe11.iad... >>> On 01/02/2010 4:50 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: >>>> In article<7AN6LJD740210.3274305556(a)reece.net.au>, >>>> Georgie<remailer(a)reece.net.au> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 3. Use high quality, permanently lubricated ball bearings in the >>>>> pedal assembly for lifetime frictionless operation. >>>> >>>> And my guess is we'll find that Toyota told the supplier to "make it >>>> cheaper"--and the supplier found a Chinese bearing, probably pot metal >>>> that saved them three cents per assembly, that is the crux of this >>>> whole >>>> matter. >>> >>> Looks like GM & Ford have also used these parts and only GM isn't >>> actively recalling them. >>> >>> As someone else said, GM didn't make the Vibe.... Well GM didn't make >>> a lot of their stuff including the Aveo. >>> >>> Looks like Ford and Toyota are going to make good. To make a mistake >>> is one thing, to fix it shows integrity. >> >> If your mother had had any integrity, she'd have flushed you years ago. > > Nothing more intelligent to say? Or are you a corrupt greedy GM leach a > flopping on hot sand?
From: Mike Hunter on 2 Feb 2010 17:50 Of course, a manufacturers design specs include exact materials composition for each and every part in the piece, down to and including the actual makeup of the metal bushing. You can be sure they followed design specs. If not parts are rejected "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote in message news:elmop-5263A5.21473601022010(a)nothing.attdns.com... > In article <4b675db8$0$22834$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net>, > "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: > >> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop(a)nastydesigns.com> wrote in message >> news:elmop-57878C.13515901022010(a)nothing.attdns.com... >> > In article >> > <a72f462e-9d67-4152-a212-a77cfbbc86e3(a)k11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>, >> > raamman <raamman(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > And my guess is we'll find that Toyota told the supplier to "make it >> >> > cheaper"--and the supplier found a Chinese bearing, probably pot >> >> > metal >> >> > that saved them three cents per assembly, that is the crux of this >> >> > whole >> >> > matter. >> >> >> >> the suplier very firmly stated they made the pedal exactly to >> >> specification; I have no doubt that this is true >> > >> > the word "specification" being the sticky point here. >> > >> > "Specification" includes cost, and may not include specific materials >> > used. >> > >> > Or it may include materials used. >> >> >> Are you familiar with blueprints? If you are please explain HOW you >> believe a supplier can NOT build to the manufactures specs and still meet >> the manufactures blueprint design specs? > > Let's see what those specs involve first before saying anything. > > If the design specs talk to the exact materials composition for each and > every part in the piece, down to and including the actual makeup of the > metal bushing, great. Let's make sure they followed design specs. > > If not, someone should be executed for that. Maybe multiple someones; > it's Toyota's responsibility to check the parts to ensure they all meet > Toyota's design specs. > > But if the design specs don't talk to the actual composition of the > metal, that's another story. > > Either way, we all know that at Toyota kept beating their suppliers down > on price. Maybe we've found the lowest survivable limit of the beatings.
From: hls on 3 Feb 2010 13:42 "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:9%K9n.86634 > > As someone else said, GM didn't make the Vibe.... Well GM didn't make a > lot of their stuff including the Aveo. *** I guess that GM, being partners in NUMMI, did - to some extent - make the Vibe..
From: Jeff Strickland on 3 Feb 2010 14:51
"hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message news:seWdnWpTqNATXvTWnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Canuck57" <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:9%K9n.86634 >> >> As someone else said, GM didn't make the Vibe.... Well GM didn't make a >> lot of their stuff including the Aveo. > > > *** > I guess that GM, being partners in NUMMI, did - to some extent - make the > Vibe.. Isn't the Vibe a Matrix? |