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From: clare on 29 Jan 2010 20:39 On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:14:23 -0600, Steve <no(a)spam.thanks> wrote: >Don Stauffer wrote: >> Hachiroku ???? wrote: >>> A 68 year old woman ran her car through a brick and steel wall, into a >>> laundromat, and damaged the wall and 5 or 6 washing machines, you know, >>> the big industrial ones... >>> >>> She was sneaking up on a parking space when all of a sudden the car >>> accelerated and crashed through the wall and the washing machines. >>> She was driving a Camry. The accident has been attributed by the media to >>> a 'sticking accelerator'. >>> >>> Um, how FAST are you driving when pulling into a parking space? Fast >>> enough to crash through a brick wall? >>> >> >> I noticed this too. Sticking throttle would not account for >> acceleration. Maintaining speed when you slow down, sure, but not rapid >> unintended acceleration. > > >The best I can tell, the root of the problem has never been "sticking" >accelerators. Its erroneous interpretation of the accelerator pedal >position, which can either act like the pedal is "stuck" or it can act >like you're pressing the pedal when you actually are not. Some of the >cases have been unintentional transition to wide-open throttle, which as >I understand it overrides the ability to shift into neutral on some >models. Combine that with having to hold down the "start" button for 4 >seconds to actually shut down the engine when the vehicle is in gear, >and you have the current messy situation. Don't know what you've been reading or where - but it IS a "stiff" pedal situation, and not a signal problem, and has NOT resulted in uncontrolled accelleration, has NOT caused an accident and has NOT resulted in "transition to full throttle". It is also NOT a widespread problem. Toyota Canada and CTS (the pedal manufacturer) has reported "less than a dozen" incidents reported. Zero accidents. ZERO injuries, and ZERO deaths. They recalled the vehicles because the POSSIBILITY of the pedal sticking causing injury existed.
From: Desertphile on 30 Jan 2010 09:22 On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:24:25 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:53:15 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > > However in this instance EVEN Toyota is saying they have a problem with > > unintended acceleration, hence the recall and stop sell order. Perhaps > > you think Toyota is mistaken? > It's not 'unintended acceleration', it's a condition where the throttle > does not return to idle. > > Slight difference. You have to have the car up to speed and then it sticks > there. If she was going fast enough entering a parking space to crash > through a wall, she should have taken the bus in the first place. Has there been a survey comparing these mysterious accelerations events and the age of the vehicle operators? -- http://desertphile.org Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water "Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 30 Jan 2010 08:34 On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:22:08 -0700, Desertphile wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:24:25 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > >> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:53:15 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > >> > However in this instance EVEN Toyota is saying they have a problem >> > with unintended acceleration, hence the recall and stop sell order. >> > Perhaps you think Toyota is mistaken? > >> It's not 'unintended acceleration', it's a condition where the throttle >> does not return to idle. >> >> Slight difference. You have to have the car up to speed and then it >> sticks there. If she was going fast enough entering a parking space to >> crash through a wall, she should have taken the bus in the first place. > > Has there been a survey comparing these mysterious accelerations events > and the age of the vehicle operators? Well, I know the one the AP is championing as being afraid of his Corolla is 30. He's afraid to drive the car. Here's the deal. If the problem is caused by condensation causing the throttle to stick... http://www.fishgame.com/Data/449px-Envase_WD-40%282%29.jpg Followed by GM rust penetrant and heat riser lubricant. Honestly, the US is supposed to be the greatest country on Earth, and we're letting a sticky accelerator cause nervous breakdowns?
From: Mike Hunter on 30 Jan 2010 13:47 You forget to mention the injuries and DEATHS "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message news:pan.2010.01.30.13.33.58.102350(a)e86.GTS... > On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:22:08 -0700, Desertphile wrote: > >> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:24:25 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:53:15 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >> >>> > However in this instance EVEN Toyota is saying they have a problem >>> > with unintended acceleration, hence the recall and stop sell order. >>> > Perhaps you think Toyota is mistaken? >> >>> It's not 'unintended acceleration', it's a condition where the throttle >>> does not return to idle. >>> >>> Slight difference. You have to have the car up to speed and then it >>> sticks there. If she was going fast enough entering a parking space to >>> crash through a wall, she should have taken the bus in the first place. >> >> Has there been a survey comparing these mysterious accelerations events >> and the age of the vehicle operators? > > Well, I know the one the AP is championing as being afraid of his Corolla > is 30. He's afraid to drive the car. > > Here's the deal. If the problem is caused by condensation causing the > throttle to stick... > > http://www.fishgame.com/Data/449px-Envase_WD-40%282%29.jpg > > Followed by GM rust penetrant and heat riser lubricant. > > Honestly, the US is supposed to be the greatest country on Earth, and > we're letting a sticky accelerator cause nervous breakdowns? > > >
From: clare on 30 Jan 2010 18:07
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:47:11 -0500, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote: >You forget to mention the injuries and DEATHS > > >"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote in message >news:pan.2010.01.30.13.33.58.102350(a)e86.GTS... >> On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:22:08 -0700, Desertphile wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:24:25 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:53:15 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: >>> >>>> > However in this instance EVEN Toyota is saying they have a problem >>>> > with unintended acceleration, hence the recall and stop sell order. >>>> > Perhaps you think Toyota is mistaken? >>> >>>> It's not 'unintended acceleration', it's a condition where the throttle >>>> does not return to idle. >>>> >>>> Slight difference. You have to have the car up to speed and then it >>>> sticks there. If she was going fast enough entering a parking space to >>>> crash through a wall, she should have taken the bus in the first place. >>> >>> Has there been a survey comparing these mysterious accelerations events >>> and the age of the vehicle operators? >> >> Well, I know the one the AP is championing as being afraid of his Corolla >> is 30. He's afraid to drive the car. >> >> Here's the deal. If the problem is caused by condensation causing the >> throttle to stick... >> >> http://www.fishgame.com/Data/449px-Envase_WD-40%282%29.jpg >> >> Followed by GM rust penetrant and heat riser lubricant. >> >> Honestly, the US is supposed to be the greatest country on Earth, and >> we're letting a sticky accelerator cause nervous breakdowns? >> > No good on Nylon and quite a few other plastice - either WD40 or Heat Rizer penetrant. It is a PLASATICS issue >> > |